Where is Dr Kevorkian

tw · 11-25-2001, 09:23 PM

While we weren't looking, the party of State's Rights has chosen to take away more liberties - and without comment on The Cellar. Since 1997, Oregoneans have had the right, legally, to terminate their painful existance. There is a time a place to fear government. When a party says that it stands for Human Rights, for State's Rights, for the individual man - then exposes what a right wing extremist really is - we all have reason to fear.

Attorney-general Ashcroft (the same man who imprisions about 5,000 of Arab descent without even a lawyer for months - we don't know the exact figure because he does all this without due process of law) decided to reverse a Janet Reno finding.

Reno declared that the purpose of federal drug laws is not to interfere with a doctor in prescribing drugs. Doctors could and should be able to operate in the interest of their patients. However right wing Ashcroft (one of those militants who advocated military action against China for the spy plane incident) decided the federal government should interfere with a law that Oregon citizen voted for (twice) and that is clearly in the interst of terminally ill. This is the same state that also would decriminalize mariguana only to have right wing extremists in the federal government again interfere with citizen's desires.

Ironic that some would fear a voluntary NID program and yet find Ashcroft decisions (including the jailing of innocent Arabs) as not worthy of comment.

It is not government we should fear. It is extremists in the Pat Buchanan and Oliver North image that make government scary. If only George Jr was what he said he was - a pluralist.

Whit · 12-17-2001, 05:55 PM

     Ashcroft has followed through with this. He has stated that any Doctor prescribing a leathal dosage of a legal drug under the "Death with Dignity Law" will have his liscence to prescibe drugs revoked.

     First we start losing our personnal rights. Now we're losing our state rights. This is a clear violation of the intention of the state's law. Ashcroft doesn't care because his Morals are more important than our rights. I can't wait for the law that says we must say our prayers before betime. It's gotta be on the way.

jaguar · 12-18-2001, 02:01 AM

It simply hasen't recieved the smae publicity something liek a NID has.

Its one of thsoe issues they've been bitching about back and forward here for years, never seems to get anywhere. If there is one right i think you should have it is to end your own life, i men fuck its YOUR life.

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However right wing Ashcroft (one of those militants who advocated military action against China for the spy plane incident

Didn't know that either...How could anyone keep credability after that? With anyone? Noone would want a war with china form US big business to Mongolian farmers.

12-18-2001, 08:33 AM

I think the problem with Ashcroft is that he takes himself very seriously. Everything is a new little "war" in his mind. And yes, he does put his morals before the rights of others. I find that particularly scary.

jaguar · 12-18-2001, 05:25 PM

He's a hardcore christian - what do you expect =)
Anyone that puts morals before humanity in my mind needs agood slap upside the head, the catholic church comes ot mind, those stupid frigging aussie preachers who were caught in afghanistan then rescued for hundreds of thousands etcetcetc

Griff · 12-19-2001, 07:41 AM

Made the mistake of listening to Dr. Laura while hanging sheetrock yesterday, for the uninitiated shes a right wing radio zionist psycotherapist emphasis on psycho. She had a Dr. McQue (sp?) from Johns Hopkins, which she insisted on calling John Hopkins pet peeve by proxy one of my best buds worked there, whose written a book on terrorist personalities. Now you'd think this would line up pretty well with tws writings on extremists wouldn't you? No! You see Osama, Kavorkian, and the unibomber fit the type but Sharon doesn't. They took time out to rail against any understanding for Palestinians or Iraqis, calling anyone who calls for understanding a terrorist sympathizer. You see anyone who doubts Israels absolute goodness is failing to recognize the existence of absolute evil in the world. On one hand they emphasized how the terrorist personality gets hung up on one idea to the exclusion of the rest of humanity and in the next breath they defended everything Israel has ever done in the name of the big idea of zionism. Have you ever screamed at the radio?

Jag- we agree that church and state must remain separate, however, if you take Catholic teaching VOLUNTARILY it is consistent, humane, and moral. The problems arise when folks in the church attempt to legislate outcomes instead of preaching lifestyle. If you don't believe that the fetus is human then abortion prohibition becomes anti-human but if the fetus is a person then...

12-19-2001, 08:30 AM

I've actually known one hard-core Christian who was very tolerant and wasn't a right-wing idiot. She did, of course, later convert to athiesm.

juju · 12-19-2001, 10:06 AM

Oh man that's funny..

russotto · 12-19-2001, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Whit
     Ashcroft has followed through with this. He has stated that any Doctor prescribing a leathal dosage of a legal drug under the "Death with Dignity Law" will have his liscence to prescibe drugs revoked.

People wanted the Feds to protect them from quacks and such with the FDA and DEA and all those wonderful laws. Now they get to see the dark side of them. The obvious solution is literally unthinkable to most, so we'll just have more of this in the future (and not always from the right).

BTW, any doc worth his salt won't prescribe a lethal dose. He prescribes an approved therapeutic dose and just happens to mention to the patient what a lethal dose would be.

russotto · 12-19-2001, 02:56 PM

Oh, and Kevorkian is on jail on _state_ charges.

jaguar · 12-19-2001, 08:56 PM

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if you take Catholic teaching VOLUNTARILY it is consistent, humane, and moral. The problems arise when folks in the church attempt to legislate outcomes instead of preaching lifestyle. If you don't believe that the fetus is human then abortion prohibition becomes anti-human but if the fetus is a person then...

THe specific issue that got my goat recently was the chatholic church's interference/removal of the distribution of the morning after pill (not many outside the church would argue that a few hundred cells constitutes a human) in french PUBLIC high schools - hence seperation of church and state, obviosuly the church is a powerful political force in France, which is depressing itself, although democracy is meant to represent the poeple so....<flamebait> wonder if that explains Shrub......

elSicomoro · 12-19-2001, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Griff
Jag- we agree that church and state must remain separate, however, if you take Catholic teaching VOLUNTARILY it is consistent, humane, and moral. The problems arise when folks in the church attempt to legislate outcomes instead of preaching lifestyle. If you don't believe that the fetus is human then abortion prohibition becomes anti-human but if the fetus is a person then...

I truly believe that the Christian right and other religious holy-rollers are the true freaks in this society. Perhaps if we start taunting them...

tw · 12-20-2001, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by jaguar
THe specific issue that got my goat recently was the chatholic church's interference/removal of the distribution of the morning after pill ... in french PUBLIC high schools

Last time I heard, employees in Catholic run hospitals are not allowed to discuss family planning or contraception with patients.

jaguar · 12-20-2001, 03:43 AM

IN catholic hospital thats fine, its a catholic hospital
i talking baout
_public_ schools

Griff · 12-20-2001, 06:37 AM

Unfortunately tw has a point because Catholic hospitals don't refuse government checks and with consoladation they could be the only "health" source. Thats a big problem as government grows and expands into every fascett of life nothing is private and choice is actually eliminated, in this case the choice of health care workers not to participate in what some see as the opposite of their life affirming mission.

11-25-2001, 09:23 PM	#1
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Where is Dr Kevorkian While we weren't looking, the party of State's Rights has chosen to take away more liberties - and without comment on The Cellar. Since 1997, Oregoneans have had the right, legally, to terminate their painful existance. There is a time a place to fear government. When a party says that it stands for Human Rights, for State's Rights, for the individual man - then exposes what a right wing extremist really is - we all have reason to fear. Attorney-general Ashcroft (the same man who imprisions about 5,000 of Arab descent without even a lawyer for months - we don't know the exact figure because he does all this without due process of law) decided to reverse a Janet Reno finding. Reno declared that the purpose of federal drug laws is not to interfere with a doctor in prescribing drugs. Doctors could and should be able to operate in the interest of their patients. However right wing Ashcroft (one of those militants who advocated military action against China for the spy plane incident) decided the federal government should interfere with a law that Oregon citizen voted for (twice) and that is clearly in the interst of terminally ill. This is the same state that also would decriminalize mariguana only to have right wing extremists in the federal government again interfere with citizen's desires. Ironic that some would fear a voluntary NID program and yet find Ashcroft decisions (including the jailing of innocent Arabs) as not worthy of comment. It is not government we should fear. It is extremists in the Pat Buchanan and Oliver North image that make government scary. If only George Jr was what he said he was - a pluralist.

12-17-2001, 05:55 PM	#2
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Ashcroft has followed through with this. He has stated that any Doctor prescribing a leathal dosage of a legal drug under the "Death with Dignity Law" will have his liscence to prescibe drugs revoked.      First we start losing our personnal rights. Now we're losing our state rights. This is a clear violation of the intention of the state's law. Ashcroft doesn't care because his Morals are more important than our rights. I can't wait for the law that says we must say our prayers before betime. It's gotta be on the way. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

12-18-2001, 05:25 PM	#5
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	He's a hardcore christian - what do you expect =) Anyone that puts morals before humanity in my mind needs agood slap upside the head, the catholic church comes ot mind, those stupid frigging aussie preachers who were caught in afghanistan then rescued for hundreds of thousands etcetcetc __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

12-19-2001, 02:56 PM	#10
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Re: Where is Dr Kevorkian Oh, and Kevorkian is on jail on _state_ charges.

12-20-2001, 03:43 AM	#14
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	IN catholic hospital thats fine, its a catholic hospital i talking baout _public_ schools __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

12-18-2001, 08:33 AM	#4
dave Guest Posts: n/a	I think the problem with Ashcroft is that he takes himself very seriously. Everything is a new little "war" in his mind. And yes, he does put his morals before the rights of others. I find that particularly scary.

12-19-2001, 07:41 AM	#6
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Made the mistake of listening to Dr. Laura while hanging sheetrock yesterday, for the uninitiated shes a right wing radio zionist psycotherapist emphasis on psycho. She had a Dr. McQue (sp?) from Johns Hopkins, which she insisted on calling John Hopkins pet peeve by proxy one of my best buds worked there, whose written a book on terrorist personalities. Now you'd think this would line up pretty well with tws writings on extremists wouldn't you? No! You see Osama, Kavorkian, and the unibomber fit the type but Sharon doesn't. They took time out to rail against any understanding for Palestinians or Iraqis, calling anyone who calls for understanding a terrorist sympathizer. You see anyone who doubts Israels absolute goodness is failing to recognize the existence of absolute evil in the world. On one hand they emphasized how the terrorist personality gets hung up on one idea to the exclusion of the rest of humanity and in the next breath they defended everything Israel has ever done in the name of the big idea of zionism. Have you ever screamed at the radio? Jag- we agree that church and state must remain separate, however, if you take Catholic teaching VOLUNTARILY it is consistent, humane, and moral. The problems arise when folks in the church attempt to legislate outcomes instead of preaching lifestyle. If you don't believe that the fetus is human then abortion prohibition becomes anti-human but if the fetus is a person then...

12-19-2001, 08:30 AM	#7
dave Guest Posts: n/a	I've actually known one hard-core Christian who was very tolerant and wasn't a right-wing idiot. She did, of course, later convert to athiesm.

12-19-2001, 10:06 AM	#8
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Oh man that's funny..

12-20-2001, 06:37 AM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Unfortunately tw has a point because Catholic hospitals don't refuse government checks and with consoladation they could be the only "health" source. Thats a big problem as government grows and expands into every fascett of life nothing is private and choice is actually eliminated, in this case the choice of health care workers not to participate in what some see as the opposite of their life affirming mission.

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