What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

I haven't gone through that line by line but that looks like it is looking at the state as a whole rather than border counties/cities versus those further from the border. Maybe your data still supports what you are saying, but I don't know that it necessarily does.

One of the things that has been talked about quite a bit down here is that the crime rate in the metro areas has gone down significantly at the same time as more and more of my fellow arizonans are becoming fulltime firearm carriers. The debate has been whether that is cause/effect or just coincidental. At the same time we've heard from the sherriffs in border counties that they are significantly more active now.

I don't have any hard data for that, I was just curious if you did since you seemed so sure in your premise.

Shouldn't they enforce existing laws before they enact new regulation?

Originally Posted by classicman

Not at all - WTF are you talking about?

You espouse spending additional money to stop illegal immigration, yet you condemn spending money. You can't have it both ways. Shel and Shaw understood...

Originally Posted by classicman

Does it just come naturally or do you have to try?

Many things come naturally for me, like understanding and complex reasoning. Other things I try to do, like getting you to understand elementary concepts. Are we done being snide?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sure...lets review.
You refuse to accept or acknowledge that funding for border enforcement this year is significantly higher than the last Bush/Republican Congress appropriations and not something that Obama did in reaction to the AZ law:

How much of that help went to AZ? Your statistics are for the entire US not AZ specifically.

So, now its the cost issue...which by most independent studies is grossly overstated.

It isn't nor has it ever been any ONE issue.

factor in the taxes paid by illegal immigrants
additional revenue that would be generated by providing a path to citizenship....

Excellent! And let us now relate that to the costs associated with these criminals.. .. .. I'll wait.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Shouldn't they enforce existing laws before they enact new regulation?

Yup - they asked and were refused for years.

You espouse spending additional money to stop illegal immigration, yet you condemn spending money. You can't have it both ways. Shel and Shaw understood...

lol Shel and shaw? Are you serious?
I condemn wasteful spending - always have and will. The rest is yet another figment of your overactive imagination.

Are we done being snide?

Apparently not - When you act like an a-hole, you can count on me to let you know - every time?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by classicman

~snip~(bold mine)

lol Shel and shaw? Are you serious?
I condemn wasteful spending - always have and will. The rest is yet another figment of your overactive imagination.

Apparently not - When you act like an a-hole, you can count on me to let you know - every time?

Fuck you and your overblown sense of yourself.

Shel, did you get that? We're laughable. We must be stupid. Did you know that? I didn't.

Jesus, class, I knew you were an ass but I didn't think you thought you were better than everyone else.

Now excuse me while I go pick my nose and grunt and fling poo at my cow orkers. You interrupted that process by uttering my name.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Fuck you and your overblown sense of yourself.

Shel, did you get that? We're laughable. We must be stupid. Did you know that? I didn't.

Jesus, class, I knew you were an ass but I didn't think you thought you were better than everyone else.

Now excuse me while I go pick my nose and grunt and fling poo at my cow orkers. You interrupted that process by uttering my name.

Who or what is laughable?

Every time I read one of classic's response posts that deny or twist or ignore facts that challenge his opinion...I laugh.

Now this is laughable:

You have a perspective that is very different than mine. Thats one of the things I love about interacting here. The diversity.

Classic...your "interactions" consistently demonstrate utter contempt for any posts that challenge yours....and you love the diversity?

You and Merc can carry on now. You two deserve each other.

ps....keep sending Merc those links of yours....you will have a receptive audience who wont challenge you at all.