What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

Originally Posted by lookout123

I figured you all would be eating this shit up... and I was right.

The law as presented is nothing more than an enforcement law. It allows/requires the cops to enforce the standing federal immigration laws during the course of their normal activity.

Not quite.

It goes beyond being an enforcement law and beyond the federal law.

Under the existing federal law, police can (and do) check for papers ONLY after stopping a person for another violation or alleged crime.

Under the new law, police can stop persons on the street and in cars SOLELY based on suspicion that the person may be in the country illegally. It is a new standard above and beyond the existing federal law.

If you dont see the difference, then feel free to call it pandering.

Added:
As an aside, and one of the concerns of the mayor of Phoenix, is the potential liability exposure to the city. If a cop stops and holds a person who may not be carrying papers and the person is a naturalized citizen...there are grounds for a civil lawsuit and substantial financial damages to the city.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Redux

Under the new law, police can stop persons on the street and in cars SOLELY based on suspicion that the person may be in the country illegally. It is a new standard above and beyond the existing federal law.

I must have missed that. where did it say that?

I thought it said during the course of LAWFUL CONTACT.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

I must have missed that. where did it say that?

I thought it said during the course of LAWFUL CONTACT.

LAWFUL CONTACT now includes the new definition of trespassing.

If you are standing on ANY public or private property and the cops think you are suspicious, they can require you to produce proof of citizenship or legal residency.

I was speaking with an attorney for the organization that represents cities in AZ on another issue today and his greatest concern is the potential liability exposure and the real possibility that cities in AZ will not be able to get liability insurance to cover the far greatest risk of civil suits/awards.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

LAWFUL CONTACT now includes the new definition of trespassing.

If you are standing on ANY public or private property and the cops think you are suspicious, they can require you to produce proof of citizenship or legal residency.

I was speaking with an attorney for the organization that represents cities in AZ on another issue today and his greatest concern is the potential liability exposure and the real possibility that cities in AZ will not be able to get liability insurance to cover the far greatest risk of civil suits/awards.

what bs....