Gay Marriage - Page 4

Dagney · 11-20-2003, 08:56 AM

Opinions are allowed AND are appreciated here.

However, put on your suit of armor and get ready for the firey barbs if your opinions aren't in line with some folks. For the most part, as long as you're open minded and willing to hear other sides of things, you'll do well here.

(Kevlar and Asbestos, perfect for a flame war!)

Dagney

elSicomoro · 11-20-2003, 08:56 AM

Opinions are more than welcome; however, we tend to like folks that back up their opinions with facts and/or qualifiers.

So, why do you think that marriage is only for a man and woman?

Undertoad · 11-20-2003, 09:01 AM

The lack of gay marriage weakens the entire concept of marriage and will lead to fewer heterosexual couples marrying.

When loving couples are prohibited from marrying, the importance of marriage is diminished in the culture. As homosexuality continues to gain acceptance, as it surely will, the practice of not marrying will spill over into the hetero space.

Gays already lead the culture in many ways, and there is no reason to believe this will not be one of them. Fighting the culture war harder will only hasten its progress. Marriage will become unfashionable for large numbers of ordinary people.

blue · 11-20-2003, 09:07 AM

Actually I believe that gay marriage would weaken the concept of marriage.

I have nothing against gays, but I am so tired of every minority group wanting to reshape the world to their needs. I also think that most groups that go on about demanding equal treatment really want special treatment.

The whole PC thing I guess is what really pisses me off, you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore, or set standards for your organization (think Boy Scouts) for fear of offending someone somewhere.

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 09:12 AM

How is being allowed to marry the person you love special treatment?

Undertoad · 11-20-2003, 09:14 AM

Right, special treatment should be limited to majorities!

april · 11-20-2003, 09:15 AM

In the bible homosexuality is a sin. So no it should not be allowed.

Yes I know adultary is to. So shut up!

blue · 11-20-2003, 09:17 AM

It's special treatment because they want to redefine (and in my OPINION make a mockery of) what many consider SACRED, simply to satisfy their OWN agenda.

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by april
In the bible homosexuality is a sin. So no it should not be allowed.

Yes I know adultary is to. So shut up!

I hate you more every day. Why don't you shut up? No really. Please do.

Who cares about the bible? The bible is NOT law. Never should be.

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by blue58
It's special treatment because they want to redefine (and in my OPINION make a mockery of) what many consider SACRED, simply to satisfy their OWN agenda.

You're not answering the question:

How is being able to marry the person you love special treatment.

blue · 11-20-2003, 09:25 AM

Special treatment is asking that the laws & traditions which clearly define marriage as being of a man and a woman be rewritten for their benefit.

That said, I believe they SHOULD be able to have some kind of service/union and gain the legal benefits that come with it for the one they love.

Dagney · 11-20-2003, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FileNotFound

I hate you more every day. Why don't you shut up? No really. Please do.

Who cares about the bible? The bible is NOT law. Never should be.

Merely a question, but why on earth are you expending the energy to hate? It does no one any good, and if your ego needs boosted THAT badly, perhaps you should direct your wrath at another target.

And by the way, for millions of Christians, the Bible IS law. You may not like it, but that's how they run their lives.

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by blue58
Special treatment is asking that the laws & traditions which clearly define marriage as being of a man and a woman be rewritten for their benefit.

That said, I believe they SHOULD be able to have some kind of service/union and gain the legal benefits that come with it for the one they love.

Do you say that women asking for the right to vote was also special treatment because voting was established and clearly defined as a right of "a white male land owner".

They're not asking for special treatment but equal treatment. Your inability to grasp this is distressing.

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagney

Merely a question, but why on earth are you expending the energy to hate? It does no one any good, and if your ego needs boosted THAT badly, perhaps you should direct your wrath at another target.

And by the way, for millions of Christians, the Bible IS law. You may not like it, but that's how they run their lives.

It's my energy, I can put it where I want. Be it counting the dots on the wall or hating retards. My ego is fine thank you very much for your concern.

Welcome to the wonderful United States of America where US Law is NOT the Bible. There is this thing here that's known as "seperation of church and state", it used to be followed much more closly, but it's still very much in effect.

If you'd like a country without sepration of church and state, try Afghanistan, Iran or some other islamic nation where women get stoned in the streets, are considered mans property and can't show their faces.

blue · 11-20-2003, 09:36 AM

No on the voting thing, some things need to be changed, and some things DO NOT need to be changed. Sorry I know that's kind of lame, not sure how to compare the two. It's like right vs. wrong, hard to define but you know it when you see it.

They should have equal treatment as far as I'm concerned...but don't change what I have & believe in in order to accomodate your desires.

For example, what if beastililty eventually becomes more mainstream & acceptable in our culture, with people "coming out", having their own parades and television series, and forming poltical groups.

Should I then say, sure it's OK, you can marry your cow, just because marriage to millions is a sacred union of man and woman, I have no right to deny you your equal treatment.

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11-20-2003, 08:56 AM	#1
Dagney The Prodigal Brat Returneth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,107	Opinions are allowed AND are appreciated here. However, put on your suit of armor and get ready for the firey barbs if your opinions aren't in line with some folks. For the most part, as long as you're open minded and willing to hear other sides of things, you'll do well here. (Kevlar and Asbestos, perfect for a flame war!) Dagney __________________ The Constitution gives every American the right to make a total fool out of himself. But that doesn't mean you need to.

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11-20-2003, 08:56 AM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Opinions are more than welcome; however, we tend to like folks that back up their opinions with facts and/or qualifiers. So, why do you think that marriage is only for a man and woman?

11-20-2003, 09:01 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The lack of gay marriage weakens the entire concept of marriage and will lead to fewer heterosexual couples marrying. When loving couples are prohibited from marrying, the importance of marriage is diminished in the culture. As homosexuality continues to gain acceptance, as it surely will, the practice of not marrying will spill over into the hetero space. Gays already lead the culture in many ways, and there is no reason to believe this will not be one of them. Fighting the culture war harder will only hasten its progress. Marriage will become unfashionable for large numbers of ordinary people.

11-20-2003, 09:07 AM	#4
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Actually I believe that gay marriage would weaken the concept of marriage. I have nothing against gays, but I am so tired of every minority group wanting to reshape the world to their needs. I also think that most groups that go on about demanding equal treatment really want special treatment. The whole PC thing I guess is what really pisses me off, you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore, or set standards for your organization (think Boy Scouts) for fear of offending someone somewhere.

11-20-2003, 09:14 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Right, special treatment should be limited to majorities!

11-20-2003, 09:15 AM	#7
april Guest Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 101	In the bible homosexuality is a sin. So no it should not be allowed. Yes I know adultary is to. So shut up!

11-20-2003, 09:17 AM	#8
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	It's special treatment because they want to redefine (and in my OPINION make a mockery of) what many consider SACRED, simply to satisfy their OWN agenda.

11-20-2003, 09:25 AM	#11
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Special treatment is asking that the laws & traditions which clearly define marriage as being of a man and a woman be rewritten for their benefit. That said, I believe they SHOULD be able to have some kind of service/union and gain the legal benefits that come with it for the one they love.

11-20-2003, 09:36 AM	#15
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	No on the voting thing, some things need to be changed, and some things DO NOT need to be changed. Sorry I know that's kind of lame, not sure how to compare the two. It's like right vs. wrong, hard to define but you know it when you see it. They should have equal treatment as far as I'm concerned...but don't change what I have & believe in in order to accomodate your desires. For example, what if beastililty eventually becomes more mainstream & acceptable in our culture, with people "coming out", having their own parades and television series, and forming poltical groups. Should I then say, sure it's OK, you can marry your cow, just because marriage to millions is a sacred union of man and woman, I have no right to deny you your equal treatment.

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