Torture memos

[lookout123]

And the second part of my post?

McCain..."waterboarding is torture"

McCain... "Sarah Palin is my choice for Vice President"

Originally Posted by lookout123

And the second part of my post?

Cruel and degrading treatment is also prohibited under UNCAT.

Because it is often difficult to distinguish between cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and torture, the Committee regards Article 16's prohibition of such treatment as similarly absolute and non-derogable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ding_treatment

UNCAT text

We (Reagan) signed it, we (the US) should live by it.

Originally Posted by lookout123

McCain... "Sarah Palin is my choice for Vice President"

I have no explanation for that decision.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by lookout123

McCain... "Sarah Palin is my choice for Vice President"

Originally Posted by Redux

I have no explanation for that decision.

lol - We all agree with that assessment!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

We (Reagan) signed it, we (the US) should live by it.

Have you never considered that we die by it, Redux? You want to volunteer to be the first casualty? I certainly wouldn't. When are you going to get it through your skull that if you want a good world, we should not lose to these people of unfreedom. The less unfreedom, the better the world. I have understood this for so long that I stand in opposition to your ideas, and all ideas like them. What then is there to say of your understanding? Is it truly profound?

"By any means necessary" is the cry of the fanatic, but are not our foes almost entirely fanatics? They are already doing the "by any means necessary." And they are a pack of damned fools, for they don't, as fanatics generally do not, calculate that a mirroring fanaticism rises in opposition to theirs

The Left has made it abundantly if tacitly clear that they do not want us to win. (The Left can't even call these latterday Fascists dirty names!) Frankly, this sets the American Left against the interest of all humankind, which lies along freedom's road -- and what a fucking stupid place to be. No, the sins of the Left are simply too appalling, when they're not merely risible.

Some of us here could be smart enough not to be leftists, but have not yet used this intelligence, and a shining few of us show our higher intelligence and great enlightenment in not accepting leftism.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Redux

But I am still not convinced that prosecution of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al even if there is compelling evidence that they conspired in the authorization of torture is still in the best public interest.

I agree. I'd like to see the truth fully explored and names named of those responsible, but that said, I fear a politicized witch hunt.
Disgrace, maybe disbarment, but not prosecution.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Blah blah blah.

"By any means necessary" is the cry of the fanatic, but are not our foes almost entirely fanatics? They are already doing the "by any means necessary." And they are a pack of damned fools, for they don't, as fanatics generally do not, calculate that a mirroring fanaticism rises in opposition to theirs

Blah blah blah.

Yes, they are fanatics that will do anything.
But the millions of people that support the fanatics stated goals, and sort of support the fanatics themselves, will throw themselves 100% into the fanatics camp, if you myopic imperialists are allowed to fuck things up.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Have you never considered that we die by it, Redux? You want to volunteer to be the first casualty? I certainly wouldn't. When are you going to get it through your skull that if you want a good world, we should not lose to these people of unfreedom. The less unfreedom, the better the world. I have understood this for so long that I stand in opposition to your ideas, and all ideas like them. What then is there to say of your understanding? Is it truly profound?

"By any means necessary" is the cry of the fanatic, but are not our foes almost entirely fanatics? They are already doing the "by any means necessary." And they are a pack of damned fools, for they don't, as fanatics generally do not, calculate that a mirroring fanaticism rises in opposition to theirs

The Left has made it abundantly if tacitly clear that they do not want us to win. (The Left can't even call these latterday Fascists dirty names!) Frankly, this sets the American Left against the interest of all humankind, which lies along freedom's road -- and what a fucking stupid place to be. No, the sins of the Left are simply too appalling, when they're not merely risible.

Some of us here could be smart enough not to be leftists, but have not yet used this intelligence, and a shining few of us show our higher intelligence and great enlightenment in not accepting leftism.