Al Franken...is this for real?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by classicman

Doesn't someone have to tell him that its over? Way over? The clock is at zero. Time has run out. You lost, He won.....

yea, good luck with that. It's really funny, because after a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, it wasn't important enough to keep counting or challenging, THAT was just liberals whining because they lost (even though they really didn't), but with a Senate race, it must go on and on and be challenged to the Supreme Court of the United States.

I don't EVER want to hear conservatives say liberals are whining when they contest a race again in the future.

[TheMercenary]

Don't project this one state race on the rest of the nation. I say finish it and let Franken take over his seat. Then I can start to make fun of him again.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

yea, good luck with that. It's really funny, because after a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, it wasn't important enough to keep counting or challenging,

It was important for the count to stop sometime so that we would have a POTUS. The US won't survive without one. Minnesota can survive really well without a Senator for a while.

And this event is the proof. You should pause and consider what would happen if a single state held up the Presidency for 6 months, 3 of which would be during the term of office.

THAT was just liberals whining because they lost (even though they really didn't),

Recounts after the event by major media outlets say you are wrong.

I don't EVER want to hear conservatives say liberals are whining when they contest a race again in the future.

From where I sit in the middle, liberals are absolutely superior whiners.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Don't project this one state race on the rest of the nation. I say finish it and let Franken take over his seat. Then I can start to make fun of him again.

Why not? The republican party and republicans from other states are funding Coleman. They shouldn't be involved, I agree, because it is a state race. Coleman needs to just stop and admit defeat. I have to say, republicans are not doing themselves any good by the way they are acting.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It was important for the count to stop sometime so that we would have a POTUS. The US won't survive without one. Minnesota can survive really well without a Senator for a while.

And this event is the proof. You should pause and consider what would happen if a single state held up the Presidency for 6 months, 3 of which would be during the term of office.

I disagree, and I still say it was wrong. The president is a much more important position that affects the entire country, and even the world. Clinton could have continued performing the duties of president until the issue was resolved.

Recounts after the event by major media outlets say you are wrong.

I don't think so.

From where I sit in the middle, liberals are absolutely superior whiners.

UT, from what I can tell, you are nowhere near the middle. :p

And republicans are whining about everything Obama does, and holding up everything they can, even though the majority of Americans want them to step aside and let Obama do what he needs to do in order to fix all the shit they broke when they were in power.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You should pause and consider what would happen if a single state held up the Presidency for 6 months, ...

Good. Sometimes it takes that much pain to finally get top management off their asses. Or to get people to admit a problem really exists.

Problem is not how long it took to fix the problem. The problem is that the problem still exists. Still exists (even worse in other places) because the powers that be are so dumb (or purchased). If you think MN was bad, some still use Diebold voting machines. That should be noted in your every post. MN is only a warning of what may happen and would be necessary in a future presidential election.

Foolish is to blame time necessary to create a cure. That blame is called curing symptoms. If this voting problem is not fixed, then yes, it might be necessary to not have a president for many months only because .... 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Bad top management needs things this bad before even admitting a problem exists. A problem so severe that Diebold voting machines, for example, should be banned from all future elections starting tomorrow.

Notice what it took to finally get Rick Wagoner out of office. Incompetence is not limited to auto executives. The problem is not how long it took to fix symptoms. The problem is the problem itself. Where is a solution defined, or even outlined, in your post? Instead you would subvert the many month process required to fix what bad management created?

MN is simply a canary in the coalmine. The following pain must be suffered because of that problem. Was it painful enough? Where are the bills calling for banning of all Diebold voting machines? Apparently it was not painful enough.

[Undertoad]

I don't think so.

The relevant Wikipedia article:

The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election.

UT, from what I can tell, you are nowhere near the middle.

Well, live and learn, because this is how it works:

If you're on the left, the middle looks like the right. If you're on the right, the middle looks like the left.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The relevant Wikipedia article:
Well, live and learn, because this is how it works:

If you're on the left, the middle looks like the right. If you're on the right, the middle looks like the left.

When you use your head, the left and right look like retards.

I would suggest that when you use your head, you would recognize serious flaws in our voter registration system that disenfranchises millions of voters every election.....many for such inane reasons as a voters name on his voter registration card, John Public, not matching the name on his drivers license, John Q Public....or a voter moving and changing his address during the period between when he registered and when he voted. ...or persons denied the right to vote because they share the name of a convicted felon in their voting precinct.

The flaws in the current system are too numerous to mention, including the reliability of voting machines (as noted by TW) and no mandatory requirements for paper trails.

IMO, we need comprehensive voter reform far beyond the Help American Vote Act that was enacted after the 2000 fiasco.

[Clodfobble]

It's important to note that voter registration laws vary by state. In Texas, we have "Motor Voter Registration," which means your voter registration is tied to your drivers license to begin with. That means 99% of people are automatically registered with no additional work, the name always matches exactly what's on your ID, and the address stays current as long as your drivers license is kept valid, which you are of course legally required to do. I've moved back and forth over a county line 3 times in the last 5 years, and they always notified me of all my new voter registration information.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I would suggest that when you use your head, you would recognize serious flaws in our voter registration system that disenfranchises millions of voters every election.....many for such inane reasons as a voters name on his voter registration card, John Public, not matching the name on his drivers license, John Q Public....or a voter moving and changing his address during the period between when he registered and when he voted. ...or persons denied the right to vote because they share the name of a convicted felon in their voting precinct.

You must have worked for ACORN.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

It's important to note that voter registration laws vary by state. In Texas, we have "Motor Voter Registration," which means your voter registration is tied to your drivers license to begin with. That means 99% of people are automatically registered with no additional work, the name always matches exactly what's on your ID, and the address stays current as long as your drivers license is kept valid, which you are of course legally required to do. I've moved back and forth over a county line 3 times in the last 5 years, and they always notified me of all my new voter registration information.

I know that voter registration laws vary by state....therein lies the problem, even with the many states with motor voter registration which has been in place since the Clinton era National Voter Registration Act.

According to the FEC, more than 1 million voters were probably not counted the 2004 presidential election, most of which were cast on provisional ballots because of voter registration questions where persons show up at a precinct and find their name not on the list.....and I would bet some of those were in Texas.

IMO, there should be a standardized voter registration procedure among the states for national elections (presidential/congressional) that provides greater assurance regarding provisional ballots, paper trails and other issues that may inhibit one's ability to vote or to know that it is counted.

this from some Freepers (Free Republic) in Tex...who knows if these Republicans are just blowing smoke?

I worked as an election clerk yesterday on election day. It was a heavily Republican leaning district. Several voters who had recently moved into the district had checked the box indicating they wanted to register to vote at their new address when they updated their drivers licenses through the DPS (Department of Public Safety). In most cases these people had to fill out provisional ballots that probably will not be counted. The Republican poll watcher is going to file a complaint. The election judge said she had been told by workers at the county courthouse not to rely on the DPS to forward voter registration information.

This happened to me in White Oak, TX. I was not allowed to use a provisional ballot, but told to register for next time. I filed a complaint with the state office last night. This needs to be investigated. I posted this earlier here and the thread got pulled. Maybe because I posted this last night in chat, but meant to put it here. Anyway, the polling official said this happened to "a lot of people."

I am an election judge in another part of Texas and can testify to this as well.

I did more provisional ballots yesterday than I ever have in more than 20 years of doing this and EVERY one of them were caused by this BS. After the folks who had to endure this process had voted, I told every one of them that even tho this provisional ballot process you have just completed is supposed to ensure your being registered at your new address, DON'T count on it! Go physically to the voter registrars office and make SURE that you are registered.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1734918/posts

And these are not ACORN type guys bitching.

[TheMercenary]

Damm those states rights. We are the Federal Government. We are here to take over, ummm, help. Yea.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Damm those states rights. We are the Federal Government. We are here to take over, ummm, help. Yea.

Merc...of course, I want to do EVERYTHING I can to assure that your vote doesnt count!

When dealing with federal elections, it is simply ignorant to brush it off as a states rights issue. If you understand the concept of states rights in the Constitution, you would know that.

[TheMercenary]

I know that any time someone steps in and tries to tell us that the feds should tell states how to conduct business at the state level there is a problem. No system is perfect and the one we have now works. Not perfectly but it works. There are not millions of disenfranchised voters out there. On top of that there are groups eligible to vote in some states and not so in others. That is the way it goes.