What do you hear when people say freedom?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

henry, instead of pressing reply, press quote on the post you want to quote and it will do all the work for you.

look, i've spent to much time educating you on mankind and on how to use this forum.
you're obviously too stupid to learn on either of the topics, so i'm done with you.

At the very least you could use color to distinguish between your posts and quotes. Like this.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Now why on earth would a self-absorbed Ayn Rand Jr do that?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

DanaC has not to my understanding ever expatiated on liberty. She clashes with me out of a belief in socialism, a less free way than libertarianism. Which is not something she bellyfeels.

I don't grok this.

How do you know what she feels?

[henry quirk]

"You are taking something from someone, so that is doing harm"

and that matters to the sum total of 'zero'

if joe is an enemy of mine (he killed my nephew, fucked my wife, ate my dog, etc.), and i hurt joe, 'harm' him, by stealing from him, this is a concern for me, how?


"Nothing wrong with eating meat, as long as you humanely kill the animal and don't waste anything"

why do i have to be 'humane' in the killing?

define: 'humane'

if i eat what i need and discard viscera and bones, i'm 'wasting', yes?

so what?


"Of course there are reasons not to do those things; there are morals and ethics and decency"

morals, ethics, decency: who establishes the baselines for these?

what 'authority' promotes, safeguards, enforces, these?

why is 'your' morality, ethics, decency superior to mine and why should i abandon mine for yours?


"I would say we are more like a virus than fleas"

more self-loathing from the peanut gallery…*sigh*

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ayn rand: a plagiarist...a half-assed philosopher...a hypocrite

try again...

[henry quirk]

"we are fleas on this planet"

when i say 'fleas' i mean in scale, not in value

the pedestrian musings of the whip and the sugarpop are, i think, value-statements i disagree with

to be a flea in scale still allows for nobility and greatness

to be 'scum' or a 'virus' in essence, in nature, allows only for stasis and parasitism

*shrug*

[henry quirk]

"if joe is an enemy of mine (he killed my nephew, fucked my wife, ate my dog, etc.), and i hurt joe, 'harm' him, by stealing from him, this is a concern for me, how?"

this raises, of course, the bullshit argument of: well you reap what you so, mr quirk

if joe 'hurts' you then why are you complaining?

he just doing what 'you' do, isn't he?

yes he is...and if he does it to 'you', unless 'you' have some value to 'me', i could not care less

since however, i am everything to myself: i tend to take a dim view of being treated as resource, though -- certainly -- if suits my cause, i will use joe as resource

and since there is a small number of folks who 'matter' to me: i take also take a dim view of joe using any one of them as resource

morality, ethics, decency, justice, equality, and on and on are the sometimes useful fictions used to allow for a semblance of 'peace'

these fictions are tools used to craft another, sometimes useful, fiction: civilization

sure as shit: the next major catastrophe that slams into the world will illustrate how thin the veneer is on civilization and how angel farty 'morality, ethics, decency, justice, equality, and on and on' are

this, of course, is deplorable and you all should shun me, avert your eyes, write letters to the local papers, and report me to the net police...

[Queen of the Ryche]

Wow henry. Just wow. Are you really so bored and bitter that you feel the need to reply to your own posts?

Have a Blessed Day.

[classicman]

He's just talkin to his friend.... (the imaginary one )

[Queen of the Ryche]

...about eight feet tall......with whiskers, right?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche

Wow henry. Just wow. Am I really so bored and bitter that I feel the need to care what you post?

Have a Blessed Day.

Fixed it for ya.

Really, bandwagon jumping makes you look common.

Go kiss someone's ass, that at least looks nicer.

[Queen of the Ryche]

Bandwagon jumping? hm? Guess you missed my posts in this thread.

And I've already kicked enough ass today to make Chuck Norris proud. Just don't always post about it on the Cellar.

Thanks for playing.

Have a Blessed Day.

[henry quirk]

"Wow henry. Just wow. Are you really so bored and bitter that you feel the need to reply to your own posts?"


wow, queenie: are so really so dense you don't understand the concept of 'expansion'?

dumb question: of course you are...dense, that is

now: go and have one of those 'blessed days' why don't ya...

[Queen of the Ryche]

nope, not dense. just bored with your "expansion." I see it more as "reiteration" or "redundancy."

WE GET IT. You are angry and see us all as ants or drones with no free will and no value. Take what you want, the rest be damned. WE GET IT.

[henry quirk]

"just bored with your "expansion."

so bored you just HAD to stick in two, worthless, cents

now: that makes sense...


"WE GET IT"

no: really, you don't...but if you think you do, then, stop responding

by the way: my little posts were directed to sugarpop, were in direct response to sugarpop...or: hadn't you noticed?


"...see us all as ants or drones with no free will and no value. Take what you want, the rest be damned."

not that you will: but if that's what you think i've been posting, you really need to go back and READ again...

[Queen of the Ryche]

This is a PUBLIC thread - you're "responses" to Sugar appear more opinion for public consumption. After reading and re-reading the myriad of posts, the strongest OPINION I can glean from you is that there is no such thing as freedom in any form, so you might as well grab what you can when you can no matter how it effects or affects those around you.

In my OPINION you took a nice harmless thread where it was asked what YOU HEAR when you hear the word freedom, and you turned it in to your own personal diatribe to disprove the existence of freedom. Guess that's why I am not walking away. No, I don't speak the eloquent language of Academia that you and Sugar and Dana seem to enjoy - I guess that makes me seem "dense" in your opinion. No sir. I am very well educated, well read, well informed. I just prefer good old down-to-earth language to convey my thoughts rather than Randish incomplete sentences. It just irks me when I come to the Cellar to be enlightened and informed and entertained, and I end up being preached to by the Academics. Yes I could walk away, but where's the fun in that?