Spending for health care

[sugarpop]

I am not even going to read this thread, I'm just going to say this:

I am sick to death of conservative whining that we need lower corporate taxes because American corporations can't compete globally. One reason they can't compete is because of health care costs. Every other industrailized country in the world has government health care. When conservatives are willing to give US the same fucking health care they get in Congress, then I will happy to support lower corporate taxes. Until then, they can kiss my ass.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Every other industrailized country in the world has government health care.

I noticed these 2 articles when I was reading about the fires is AUS...
Don't assume everything is all rainbows and gummy bears in government health care land. You don't even have to read about it other countries, ask the people here who are on government health care how much they like it...

Medibank Private to open own emergency wards


Claims of cover-ups, bungled care at Bundaberg hospital

[sugarpop]

I'm not claiming it is perfect in other countries, but that they have access to it. I think we should look at what other countries do, and adopt things that would work here. There is no such thing as a perfect system, I don't believe. Ours certainly doesn't work very well though, unless you are fortunate enough to work somewhere that still has good benefits, or unless you can afford good insurance (which doesn't always end up being as good as you think).

Why is OK that taxpayers end up subsidizing health care for employees of rich corporations like WalMart, when they can obviously afford to supply it? Why do we put up with that? Those people don't make enough to buy insrance on their own, so they are mostly on some kind of Medicare. And WalMart is one of the richest corporations in the world. Why aren't you pissed off about that?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I'm not claiming it is perfect in other countries, but that they have access to it. I think we should look at what other countries do, and adopt things that would work here. There is no such thing as a perfect system, I don't believe. Ours certainly doesn't work very well though, unless you are fortunate enough to work somewhere that still has good benefits, or unless you can afford good insurance (which doesn't always end up being as good as you think).

Why is OK that taxpayers end up subsidizing health care for employees of rich corporations like WalMart, when they can obviously afford to supply it? Why do we put up with that? Those people don't make enough to buy insrance on their own, so they are mostly on some kind of Medicaid. And WalMart is one of the richest corporations in the world. Why aren't you pissed off about that?

OOPS! I meant to say medicaid, fixed it.

Originally Posted by jinx

I noticed these 2 articles when I was reading about the fires is AUS...
Don't assume everything is all rainbows and gummy bears in government health care land. You don't even have to read about it other countries, ask the people here who are on government health care how much they like it...

Universal affordable and accessible health care does not necessarily mean government health care.

What Obama envisions in the longer term is more quasi-governmental, with a government body overseeing the administration of a program that provides citizens with a range of choices through private health care providers. The citizens would have little or no contact with the government and would interact with their health care provider in much the same manner as they do now if covered by an employer-based plan.

In the short term, the goal is to contain the costs of employer-based plans since they represent over 2/3 of those currently with health care coverage and to provide incentives for small business to create health care pools in order to provide affordable coverage to those small business employees.

Is it doable? I hope we might see steps in that direction if all the fear mongering about government taking over our lives is put aside...and if the economy doesnt keep tanking.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Universal affordable and accessible health care does not necessarily mean government health care.

Great, you tell us all what it means. Speak for Obama.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Great, you tell us all what it means. Speak for Obama.

As opposed to you speaking for the millions of Americans you have heard from who believe Obama' has pledged free universal health care?

Gimme a fucking break.

I try to gain an understanding of his heath care policy agenda by reading his policy agenda! Damn...why not start there and supplement it with articles and analyses of his proposed policy that provide more than one person's opinion! Makes sense, doesnt it?

Or does it really make more sense to draw such sweeping conclusions as your based on the opinion of an editorial writer who offers nothing to support her opinion and public hearsay?

Perhaps it does for you...not for me.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Great, you tell us all what it means. Speak for Obama.

What the hell?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Great, you tell us all what it means. Speak for Obama.

Good grief Merc. I have supplied you with links to what his plan looks like. In fact, I got one of them from a link YOU posted (at SMN) to PBR. WTF?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Good grief Merc. I have supplied you with links to what his plan looks like. In fact, I got one of them from a link YOU posted (at SMN) to PBR. WTF?

His plans what not been well described, even by him. I have posted what some experts in healthcare were able to tell from the vague plans he put forth. Either way they are going to be VERY expensive. Expensive on a scale which this country has never seen. And now with the Demoncratic Bailout, most likely he will be unable to get one passed, even though he was elected on a platform where he promised affordable health care to all. Where's the beef?