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Old 02-08-2009, 07:46 PM   #1
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What do you mean by that?
I mean what passes for liberalism at Berkeley has zero to do with liberalism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries.
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:53 PM   #2
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I mean what passes for liberalism at Berkeley has zero to do with liberalism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries.
You mean kind of like what passes as conservatism in the republican party today has zero to do with conservatism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries?
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:55 PM   #3
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You mean kind of like what passes as conservatism in the republican party today has zero to do with conservatism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries?
And who can authenticate that? You? For every opinion about what "founders" thought and believed there is a counter arguement.
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:58 PM   #4
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And who can authenticate that? You? For every opinion about what "founders" thought and believed there is a counter arguement.
Nonsense. What passes for conservativism today was a philosophy mainly held by Alexander Hamilton and 300,000 pissed off tories.
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Nonsense. What passes for conservativism today was a philosophy mainly held by Alexander Hamilton and 300,000 pissed off tories.
Cool, and the Liberals of 200 years ago are the same of today?
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Old 02-09-2009, 06:00 AM   #6
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Cool, and the Liberals of 200 years ago are the same of today?
You catch on quick, don't you?

Maybe it was those posts where I said that wasn't the case.

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And who can authenticate that? You? For every opinion about what "founders" thought and believed there is a counter arguement.
Oh good grief. Conservatism is supposed to be about fiscal responsibilty, and republicans, since Reagan, have been anything BUT.
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Oh good grief. Conservatism is supposed to be about fiscal responsibilty, and republicans, since Reagan, have been anything BUT.
So now you are going to tell me how Demoncrats are fiscally responsible with the latest spending package.
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So now you are going to tell me how Demoncrats are fiscally responsible with the latest spending package.
Well what would you suggest we do? We have to do something, and most economists are saying the package is actually not big enough.

If bush had not run our deficit into the stratosphere with his stupid wars, we would not be in this mess. We would have the money to handle the situation and wouldn't have to borrow it.
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Well what would you suggest we do? We have to do something, and most economists are saying the package is actually not big enough.

If bush had not run our deficit into the stratosphere with his stupid wars, we would not be in this mess. We would have the money to handle the situation and wouldn't have to borrow it.
The deficit has little to do with it. Of course we would still have to barrow it.
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You mean kind of like what passes as conservatism in the republican party today has zero to do with conservatism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries?

Precisely.

Of course, back then, they called conservatives "Tories".

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