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View Poll Results: Do you support saving the US auto companies with tax payer money?
I support saving any one or all of them. 1 3.13%
I support assisting them for a limited time with a limited amount. 11 34.38%
I don't support saving them. 19 59.38%
I have another plan to save them from certain death (explain below) 1 3.13%
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:48 PM   #1
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We need a poll to see how many people actually read post #188. I for one am curious. Are there cliff notes available?
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:55 PM   #2
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I for one am curious. Are there cliff notes available?
That was the Cliff note. A very easy read. Actual story is much longer, more involved, and even more damning.

Post 188 - a short quote from a 14 page 2002 article in The Economist - tells the story that TheMercenary's Boortz video forgot to include. Long before 2002, Japanese and European auto makers had already been doing what is hyped as revolutionary in that Boortz video. Revolutionary? Hardly. Just another example of American MBAs finally permitting what was world standard 10 and 20 years ago.

That is an example of lessons taught even by W E Deming in the 1950s. Deming taught why production was so inefficient and what is necessary to be productive. He even cited a Quality Control inspector as a symptom of no quality. Post 188 is simply another example of a philosophy that is so difficult for MBAs to comprehend.

How many foolishly entered this discusson believing that popular myths that blamed the unions? GM is exactly what happens when MBAs - people without dirt under their fingernails - become corporate leaders. The auto industry repeatedly demonstrated what is necessary to make an auto company productive. Very first task every time - replaced bean counters with car guys. Only then can innovation begin.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:01 AM   #3
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We need a poll to see how many people actually read post #188. I for one am curious. Are there cliff notes available?
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