Kill the Messenger - this time the LA Times

[xoxoxoBruce]

My brother mentioned yesterday that his Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with a "Hemi" V-8 and automatic transmission gets the exact same gas mileage as his Mazda Miata, 4 cylinder, stick shift.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Honda doing hydrogen fuel cell car PLUS home hydrogen generation.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Don't hold your breath. They've got a long, long way to go before that's going to happen around here.

This summer!

http://www.portfolio.com/news-market...l-Cell-Vehicle

[Undertoad]

And now this:

http://physorg.com/news122655117.html

Purdue University engineers have developed a new aluminum-rich alloy that produces hydrogen by splitting water and is economically competitive with conventional fuels for transportation and power generation.

"We now have an economically viable process for producing hydrogen on-demand for vehicles, electrical generating stations and other applications," said Jerry Woodall, a distinguished professor of electrical and computer engineering at Purdue who invented the process.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

This summer!

http://www.portfolio.com/news-market...l-Cell-Vehicle

Honda won’t disclose marketing plans, but several dozen California drivers are being tapped to sign $600-a-month leases. At the pump, hydrogen fuel costs roughly the same as gasoline, but there are only 66 operational hydrogen gas stations in the U.S. (19 in the Los Angeles area). So Honda is developing the Home Energy Station, a hydrogen pump for garages (which uses a process critics say releases greenhouse gases).

Not around here.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And now this:

http://physorg.com/news122655117.html

The terrorists will love this technology, beer cans to bombs.

[tw]

They are going to the perfect source of corporate welfare - wacko right wing Republican extremists. GM, et al now wants free government money because, after all, throwing money at anti-American companies will save jobs and reduce the deficit. Right.
From MarketWatch.com:

GM (GM) Wants A Loan From Uncle Sam
Several reports indicate that GM (GM, Ford (F), and Chrysler are approaching the government for a total of $25 billion in loans at interest rates as low as 4.5%. The money could come in the form of loan guarantees.

Let's see. GM was given $100million by the government to develop a hybrid in 1994. Fifteen years later - 10 years obsolete - GM still does not have a hybrid. GM is hyping their first hybrid as the only new product - to save the company. The Volt will not appear for another two years – 16 years after the Congress provided corporate welfare to build a hybrid. How does a company run by MBA auto designers solve their problems? They will run to the government for money.

A country that believes in free markets would let GM go to bankruptcy. Then all those America jobs would be saved. The only reason for GM job losses is Rick Wagoner and his staff of bean counters. How did we save Chrysler? We gave Chrysler no government money; we forced Chrysler to eliminate their only problem. Top management was replaced by someone how knew how to drive - Lee Iacocca. Bankruptcy of GM would also eliminate the only reason why GM refused to innovate - Rick Wagoner. To save his job

The only problem with GM - its product line reflects how MBA school management innovates. GM deperately needs bankrucpty to save those employees jobs and eliminate the only problem in GM.

Ever significant innovation in a GM car in the past 30 years has been all but required by EPA regulation. It takes government regulation before an MBA will let car guys innovate? And then the same MBA will run to government for corporate welfare. Ironically, right wing Republicans support this 'bridge to nowhere'.

[classicman]

GM sucks - is that what you are saying T-dub....AGAIN. I think that horse has been beaten to death?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Hell, tw hates, it appears, any boss who ever went to boss college and passed boss lessons and graduated. You end up wondering just why.

Wonder how he feels about engineers with degrees in engineering?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Hell, tw hates, it appears, any boss who ever went to boss college and passed boss lessons and graduated. You end up wondering just why.

Hell no. This was bait so that the dumbest person I ever knew would post - UG. UG - fist fights never occured even in any bar I drank in. But the minute you walked in, everyone would want to hit you. You are that dumb. You are so stupid that even Forest Gump would want to hit you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Chrysler got loan guarantees.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Chrysler got loan guarantees.

Only after Chrysler 1) fixed the problem - replaced bean counters Townsend and Richardo with Iacocca, 2) still had to obtain loans from private sources, and 3) still had to pay the same high interest rates. In fact, Chrysler almost failed when Deutsche Bank backed out at the last minute. Chrysler had to earn their loans by first fixing the reason for Chrysler’s near demise – bad management resulting in bad products.

GM does not want to fix their problem and wants the government to loan the money at much lower interest rates. IOW an anti-America company (paraphrasing classicman) now wants us to pay - corporate welfare - so GM can continue making the same mistakes. At what point does a GM stock holder suffer risks because stockholders remained in denial? At what point does a bankruptcy threat become so great that stock holders finally demand intelligent management?

So many tried to save GM including Ross Perot and Carl Icahn. GM stockholders refused to admit the obvious. Therefore GM stockholders should be rewarded as the partners of Bear Stearns were also rewarded. Bankruptcy is necessary to remove GM's only problem - Rick Wagoner and his staff. Instead, GM wants free money to keep making bad products.

Only two months ago, GM said they had plenty of cash. Suddenly GM need tens of $billions? Oh. Lying on the spread sheets is also acceptable? Well, when AT&T was finally exposed as lying, then AT&T had to disintegrate - be consumed by companies with responsible management. Just another example of free market bankruptcies solving the problem - bad management.

Gerald Ford to New York City: Drop dead. Without free Federal money, then NYC decided to solve their bankruptcy problems. As a result, NYC did become fiscally responsible again.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Hell no. This was bait so that the dumbest person I ever knew would post.

I call BS. Why you were just calling for his banning not too long ago.
Now you want him to post -

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Hell no. This was bait so that the dumbest person I ever knew would post - UG. UG - fist fights never occured even in any bar I drank in. But the minute you walked in, everyone would want to hit you. You are that dumb. You are so stupid that even Forest Gump would want to hit you.

That the best you can do? Allegations of dumbth from a man unaware that the given name Forrest contains two R's? While dodging any germane response to the point I brought up... did an MBA once fuck your chihuahua or something?

The Cellarites I fight with the hardest are really the most childish.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

I call BS. Why you were just calling for his banning not too long ago.

When it comes to the same old bullshit time and time again, why does classicman always attack tw and never attack Urbane Guerrilla? classicman loves UG's extremist politics - not concepts based in reality?

UG routinely posts personal attacks and political rhetoric from the George Jr administration as broadcast by Rush Limbaugh. Apparently classicman approves. There is no significant inflation. George said so. There is no threat of recession. George said so. Throwing more tax rates at the rich has only make a stronger American economy (ignoring that the common man has seen a seven year decrease in his income). We don't burn too much oil. George said so. And classicman approves?

It is what wacko extremists do. They cannot challenge facts. So they attack the messenger.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

When it comes to the same old bullshit time and time again, why does classicman always attack tw and never attack Urbane Guerrilla?

Please stop - you are whining like a little girl.

Originally Posted by tw

UG routinely posts personal attacks and political rhetoric from the George Jr administration as broadcast by Rush Limbaugh. Apparently classicman approves. There is no significant inflation. George said so. There is no threat of recession. George said so. Throwing more tax rates at the rich has only make a stronger American economy (ignoring that the common man has seen a seven year decrease in his income). We don't burn too much oil. George said so.

It is what wacko extremists do. They cannot challenge facts. So they attack the messenger.

There ya go making assumptions again Tommy Boy. Oh and wrong ones as usual. Weren't you the one who lived only in a fact based world? What ever happened to that?

And FWIW - you never addressed the actual comment I made even though you quoted it - another "as usual."