Science, Religion, and the Surrounding Confusion. - Page 10

miketrees · 08-03-2008, 06:56 AM

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But that's kind of the point really. Labels I mean. It's not agnosticism that is irritating. It is the suggestion that agnosticism is a superior intellectual position to either faith, or atheism. Intellectual agnosticism presupposes that atheism is closed to the unknown. It is not. That would be as absurd as holding that faith is not open to doubt.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-03-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

I thought that they shut down the GM plants for trucks to make fuel efficient cars. I didn't know it was a Union thing.

It's not, you were right the first time.

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:00 AM

That doesn't mention intelligence. At no point have I said, or thought, that you believe agnostics are more intelligent than atheists.

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:02 AM

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Well DanaC if you are an atheist you have too much faith that you know everything
Stick with us agnostics, have a bet each way and admit there just might be things out there you have not seen or understood

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It is the suggestion that agnosticism is a superior intellectual position to either faith, or atheism. Intellectual agnosticism presupposes that atheism is closed to the unknown.

In your post, there is an inherent assumption that atheists assume they know everything, and that they are reluctant to 'admit' that there are things which they have not seen or understood.

miketrees · 08-03-2008, 07:06 AM

Yes

miketrees · 08-03-2008, 07:08 AM

I think Dana might just be a closet Agnostic.
Its OK dear you can come out, you are with friends

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:11 AM

*Chuckles* ach damn, you got me. Bang to rights.

miketrees · 08-03-2008, 07:13 AM

That was fun, can we snog now?

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:14 AM

I believe that's usual protocol.

miketrees · 08-03-2008, 07:16 AM

Ha ha
I think finally we might be making a tentative connection

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:20 AM

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I think finally we might be making a tentative connection

Is that what they call it these days?

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 07:24 AM

To go back to the original jist of the thread, does discovering that a scientist is also religious, make you question his capacity for scientific rigour?

regular.joe · 08-03-2008, 08:35 AM

Why would it? Niehls Bohr and Einstein two of the greatest physicists ever, believed in God. There are many who did/do not believe in God. But, you are not asking about the ones who don't.

You ask specifically about rigour, or rigor as we say here in the states. Why would being religious in any way interfere with with the capacity of a person to show rigor in their scientific research?

If that were true: does discovering that a scientist is a confirmed atheist make you question his capacity for scientific rigor?

regular.joe · 08-03-2008, 08:49 AM

I'm curious, a question for the atheists on the board. Do you believe that science disproves the existence of God?

If so, there is a statement. Science disproves the existence of God.

I would like to see the rigor proving that statement.

DanaC · 08-03-2008, 09:05 AM

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If that were true: does discovering that a scientist is a confirmed atheist make you question his capacity for scientific rigor?

No, but it might make me doubt his suitability for the priesthood.

I'm not, by the way saying that one should doubt the scientist's capacity for scientific rigour.

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regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Why would it? Niehls Bohr and Einstein two of the greatest physicists ever, believed in God. There are many who did/do not believe in God. But, you are not asking about the ones who don't. You ask specifically about rigour, or rigor as we say here in the states. Why would being religious in any way interfere with with the capacity of a person to show rigor in their scientific research? If that were true: does discovering that a scientist is a confirmed atheist make you question his capacity for scientific rigor? __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

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regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	I'm curious, a question for the atheists on the board. Do you believe that science disproves the existence of God? If so, there is a statement. Science disproves the existence of God. I would like to see the rigor proving that statement. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

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08-03-2008, 06:56 AM	#136
miketrees Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37	Back on 109 But that's kind of the point really. Labels I mean. It's not agnosticism that is irritating. It is the suggestion that agnosticism is a superior intellectual position to either faith, or atheism. Intellectual agnosticism presupposes that atheism is closed to the unknown. It is not. That would be as absurd as holding that faith is not open to doubt.

08-03-2008, 07:00 AM	#138
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	That doesn't mention intelligence. At no point have I said, or thought, that you believe agnostics are more intelligent than atheists.

08-03-2008, 07:06 AM	#140
miketrees Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37	Yes

08-03-2008, 07:08 AM	#141
miketrees Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37	I think Dana might just be a closet Agnostic. Its OK dear you can come out, you are with friends

08-03-2008, 07:11 AM	#142
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Chuckles ach damn, you got me. Bang to rights.

08-03-2008, 07:13 AM	#143
miketrees Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37	That was fun, can we snog now?

08-03-2008, 07:14 AM	#144
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I believe that's usual protocol.

08-03-2008, 07:16 AM	#145
miketrees Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37	Ha ha I think finally we might be making a tentative connection

08-03-2008, 07:24 AM	#147
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	To go back to the original jist of the thread, does discovering that a scientist is also religious, make you question his capacity for scientific rigour?

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