March 9, 2008 Amazing Chopper Pilot - Page 5

monster · 03-19-2008, 12:02 AM

Of course chopped dogs would be more of a Friday IOTD, right?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-19-2008, 12:04 AM

They weeded out the blind paratroopers, because they kept landing on their dogs.

rupip · 03-19-2008, 04:59 AM

as a non-US-citizens this discussion/dispute was really exciting to follow and gave interesting insights.

maybe you know the latin saying: "in vino veritas" - translated: drunk people tell the truth. same goes for a certain degree of agitation. words and facts come out that normally stay inside.

I come from a country that started WWII and - thank god - lost it. So I think it is not my right to judge or evaluate who is right or wrong.
It is interesting that loser-nations of WWII (Germany, Austria, Italy, ...) and their citizens behave very differently than winner-nation (US, UK, Russia, F) in terms of aggression, defense, fight against terror, fight for power and ressources,…

- just a little comment

- definitly NOT wanting to start the discussion again.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-19-2008, 10:31 AM

Interesting observation, rupip. It makes me wonder if the attitude of the people of the nations that lost, is because they lost, or why they lost?

rupip · 03-20-2008, 11:08 AM

I´d definitly say because they lost.
in school and every-day life we - im 34 now - learn that something like the NS (nazi)-regime or WW2 must never ever happen again. in every german or austrian family there are stories of grandfathers and uncles being killed or having killed.

there is something like a collective guilt, a strong awareness of our families (fathers, mothers, grandfathers/mothers) having started or participated or at least not been able to prevent a regime that killed millions of people and started a war that killed 50- 60 millions.

And millions of peoples died in our own or neighbouring countries - so the felt impact is much higher than fighting abroad - with no civilian death at home.

coming to Iraq: 100.000 dead and millions starving and living in fear somewhere on this planet is much easier to handle than at home. (and I am not saying they had a better life before!)

maybe that makes the difference between winner and loser-countries.

but enough for now - it is hard to discuss such topics on a forum, even harder if it is not your mothertongue that you are using...

03-19-2008, 12:02 AM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Of course chopped dogs would be more of a Friday IOTD, right? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-19-2008, 12:04 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They weeded out the blind paratroopers, because they kept landing on their dogs. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-19-2008, 04:59 AM	#3
rupip Salzburger Nockerl Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Salzburg, Austria Posts: 37	as a non-US-citizens this discussion/dispute was really exciting to follow and gave interesting insights. maybe you know the latin saying: "in vino veritas" - translated: drunk people tell the truth. same goes for a certain degree of agitation. words and facts come out that normally stay inside. I come from a country that started WWII and - thank god - lost it. So I think it is not my right to judge or evaluate who is right or wrong. It is interesting that loser-nations of WWII (Germany, Austria, Italy, ...) and their citizens behave very differently than winner-nation (US, UK, Russia, F) in terms of aggression, defense, fight against terror, fight for power and ressources,… - just a little comment - definitly NOT wanting to start the discussion again. Last edited by rupip; 03-19-2008 at 05:05 AM.

03-19-2008, 10:31 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Interesting observation, rupip. It makes me wonder if the attitude of the people of the nations that lost, is because they lost, or why they lost? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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03-20-2008, 11:08 AM	#5
rupip Salzburger Nockerl Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Salzburg, Austria Posts: 37	I´d definitly say because they lost. in school and every-day life we - im 34 now - learn that something like the NS (nazi)-regime or WW2 must never ever happen again. in every german or austrian family there are stories of grandfathers and uncles being killed or having killed. there is something like a collective guilt, a strong awareness of our families (fathers, mothers, grandfathers/mothers) having started or participated or at least not been able to prevent a regime that killed millions of people and started a war that killed 50- 60 millions. And millions of peoples died in our own or neighbouring countries - so the felt impact is much higher than fighting abroad - with no civilian death at home. coming to Iraq: 100.000 dead and millions starving and living in fear somewhere on this planet is much easier to handle than at home. (and I am not saying they had a better life before!) maybe that makes the difference between winner and loser-countries. but enough for now - it is hard to discuss such topics on a forum, even harder if it is not your mothertongue that you are using...

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