There are no illegal immigrants in America

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

The fact remains that they are not violating the law so they are LEGAL. The indisputable truth is that the federal government has no legitimate authority to create or enforce immigration laws and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a fool.

There is no question as to the legality of these immigrants because there are no illegal immigrants in America and there won't be unless the U.S. Constitution is amended to grant the federal government authority over immigration.

Any time anyone uses the term "illegal" to describe undocumented immigrants, they are lying. They most likely have an ax to grind in the form of racism or xenophobia.

What you state is opinion, not fact. I can tell you that the fact is that the arrest and detention powers of the illegal aliens entering the US illegally are real and legitimate. There is no whole scale release of these illegal immigrants based on legal appeal by contesting law you interpret it. If there is please provide objective facts which document these events.

Attempting to attack an argument based on accusations of "racism or xenophobia" is a straw man approach.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What you state is opinion, not fact. I can tell you that the fact is that the arrest and detention powers of the illegal aliens entering the US illegally are real and legitimate. There is no whole scale release of these illegal immigrants based on legal appeal by contesting law you interpret it. If there is please provide objective facts which document these events.

Attempting to attack an argument based on accusations of "racism or xenophobia" is a straw man approach.

I am not stating an opinion, I am stating a FACT when I say the U.S. Government has absolutely zero legitimate or Constitutional authority to create or enforce immigration laws. The U.S. Constitution PROHIBITS the federal government from creating or enforcing immigration laws. I've proven this many times over.

This is black and white. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. I don't "interpret" the Constitution because it doesn't require interpretation. It's written in simple English and it means what it says and it says the Federal government has absolutely zero authority over immigration and has no implied powers because everything not enumerated in the Constitution is RESERVED as a power of the states or a right of the people.

Since there are no legitimate federal immigration laws, those who lie and claim immigrants are costing us money, that they are coming here for handouts, that they are closing hospitals, that they are here illegally, they are more likely to commit crimes than people born here, they are less intelligent than those born here, etc. have some other ax to grind.

They aren't here illegally, yet these people want to force them out. So if it's not a legal issue, it's a personal issue. And saying that it's either racism or xenophobia is truthful, not a straw man.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

I am not stating an opinion, I am stating a FACT when I say the U.S. Government has absolutely zero legitimate or Constitutional authority to create or enforce immigration laws. The U.S. Constitution PROHIBITS the federal government from creating or enforcing immigration laws. I've proven this many times over.

This is black and white. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. I don't "interpret" the Constitution because it doesn't require interpretation. It's written in simple English and it means what it says and it says the Federal government has absolutely zero authority over immigration and has no implied powers because everything not enumerated in the Constitution is RESERVED as a power of the states or a right of the people.

Since there are no legitimate federal immigration laws, those who lie and claim immigrants are costing us money, that they are coming here for handouts, that they are closing hospitals, that they are here illegally, they are more likely to commit crimes than people born here, they are less intelligent than those born here, etc. have some other ax to grind.

They aren't here illegally, yet these people want to force them out. So if it's not a legal issue, it's a personal issue. And saying that it's either racism or xenophobia is truthful, not a straw man.

You are twisting the facts to meet your own needs to define law. You continue down this straw man approach by calling people xenophobes or racists and that is a failed path to make your case. You have not provided any primary resources to support your argument, you just want us to accept what you say on face value, and no one will do that on this subject. I have no idea how you think you can cherry pick legal issues at a federal government level and win an argument, because you can't and nothing you have stated to this date on this issue would be held up in court. There are Federal Statutes which make it illegal to enter our country in an unlawful manner.

"Congress enacted the McCarran-Walter
Bill of 1952, which combined existing immigration laws scattered throughout the federal statutes and recodified them into the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), located in Title 8 of the U.S. Code. The INA contains both civil and criminal laws that are applied to immigration issues. Traditionally,
the federal government has reserved civil enforcement power, such as verifying citizenship and deporting undocumented aliens, for itself, while allowing state and local governments some power over the criminal enforcement that supports illegal immigration control. While state police may investigate criminal activities such as a false identification or alien smuggling rings, federal
immigration officials will handle civil issues involving citizenship and deportation,
and do so without any input or assistance
from the state. However, this traditional
separation of sovereign powers is slowly eroding as states are granted, and in some cases are taking, more of a role in dealing
with illegal immigration."

http://www.legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/pubs/wb/07wb6.pdf

All of the people of whom you speak are ILLEGAL ALIENS and in this country unlawfully. Get it, breaking federal statute. Means they can go to jail and be deported after a hearing in front of a Federal Magistrate.

[Radar]

You are a liar. I'm not stating opinions, I'm stating facts. I'm not "twisting" or "cherry picking" facts. I'm stating them clearly and in no uncertain terms.

The U.S. Government has absolutely no Constitutional authority over immigration and all federal immigration laws are unconstitutional, illegal, and therefore null and void.

That's a fact. It's not twisted. It's not wrong.

I've provided proof from the Constitution itself which PROHIBITS the federal government from having "implied powers" or from legislating anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

Any immigration laws created by Congress are irrelevant, including U.S. Code. Quote them all you like because they are unconstitutional. The Constitution is above all other laws in America, above the Congress, above the President, and above the Supreme Court.

Once again, these are not opinions, they are FACTS and they are stated clearly without "twisting" or "cherry picking" them.

None of the undocumented immigrants in America is violating any Constitutionally valid laws, and none of them are "illegal". Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar and an idiot....period.

You can lie about these people being "illegal" all you like. You can lie about the federal government having any authority over immigration. You can lie about most of the anti-immigrant crowd not being racist or xenophobic, but that's all they are...lies.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The INDISPUTABLE FACT is the federal government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce immigration laws and every single federal immigration law ever created is unconstitutional, illegal, and therefore null and void the moment it was created without the requirement of judicial review. End of story.

Anyone who supports any federal immigration laws is anti-American, and is spitting in the faces of our founders and supports violating the Constitution. If they are a veteran like myself, they are also a traitor to America and a scumbag.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

You are a liar. I'm not stating opinions, I'm stating facts. I'm not "twisting" or "cherry picking" facts. I'm stating them clearly and in no uncertain terms.

The U.S. Government has absolutely no Constitutional authority over immigration and all federal immigration laws are unconstitutional, illegal, and therefore null and void.

That's a fact. It's not twisted. It's not wrong.

I've provided proof from the Constitution itself which PROHIBITS the federal government from having "implied powers" or from legislating anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

Any immigration laws created by Congress are irrelevant, including U.S. Code. Quote them all you like because they are unconstitutional. The Constitution is above all other laws in America, above the Congress, above the President, and above the Supreme Court.

Once again, these are not opinions, they are FACTS and they are stated clearly without "twisting" or "cherry picking" them.

None of the undocumented immigrants in America is violating any Constitutionally valid laws, and none of them are "illegal". Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar and an idiot....period.

You can lie about these people being "illegal" all you like. You can lie about the federal government having any authority over immigration. You can lie about most of the anti-immigrant crowd not being racist or xenophobic, but that's all they are...lies.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The INDISPUTABLE FACT is the federal government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce immigration laws and every single federal immigration law ever created is unconstitutional, illegal, and therefore null and void the moment it was created without the requirement of judicial review. End of story.

Anyone who supports any federal immigration laws is anti-American, and is spitting in the faces of our founders and supports violating the Constitution. If they are a veteran like myself, they are also a traitor to America and a scumbag.

All of those people are completely and utterly illegal and should be thrown out on their ears, ok well not all of the illegals, but many of them. To think that the federal government cannot inact laws that deal with immigration shows the fantasy world you live in. I fully support the federal government in their efforts to round up and detain people who have broken our laws. There is nothing you can do about the federal government and their efforts, which is why you probably like to come here and exclaim your fantasy about how you believe the government can work within the framework of the Constitution. To bad you cannot support your notions and there is no way you could make such a legal case in a Federal Court. Have fun living your fantasy...

You sound like a child holding his breath crying and jumping up and down calling me a liar.... really pretty funny.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

All of those people are completely and utterly illegal and should be thrown out on their ears, ok well not all of the illegals, but many of them. To think that the federal government cannot inact laws that deal with immigration shows the fantasy world you live in. I fully support the federal government in their efforts to round up and detain people who have broken our laws. There is nothing you can do about the federal government and their efforts, which is why you probably like to come here and exclaim your fantasy about how you believe the government can work within the framework of the Constitution. To bad you cannot support your notions and there is no way you could make such a legal case in a Federal Court. Have fun living your fantasy...

You prove nothing but your own stupidity, your disdain of the Constitution, and the fact that you are less deserving to be in America than the worst one of them. You claim there's nothing I can do, but my friends Smith & Wesson, and myself say otherwise. Don't be so stupid as to think I can't or won't take up arms in the defense of these people who are LEGALLY entering the United States without documentation or checking in with Uncle Sam. No pull your head out of your ass you fucking idiot.

You don't like the facts, so you try to ignore them. You think because your personal opinion is that the government should have certain powers, it does regardless of the Constitution. Unlike you, I served in the military and took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and I still take that oath seriously. You spit in the faces of our founders and if I were in the same room with you, I'd spit in your face and you'd do nothing about it other than cry like a little bitch.

Also, I didn't merely call you a liar, I proved it. Anyone who says these people are here illegally is a lying asshole, and unworthy to call themselves American. They should be deported to make room for the undocumented and LEGAL Mexican immigrants who truly understand the American dream.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

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[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

You prove nothing but your own stupidity, your disdain of the Constitution, and the fact that you are less deserving to be in America than the worst one of them. You claim there's nothing I can do, but my friends Smith & Wesson, and myself say otherwise. Don't be so stupid as to think I can't or won't take up arms in the defense of these people who are LEGALLY entering the United States without documentation or checking in with Uncle Sam. No pull your head out of your ass you fucking idiot.

You don't like the facts, so you try to ignore them. You think because your personal opinion is that the government should have certain powers, it does regardless of the Constitution. Unlike you, I served in the military and took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and I still take that oath seriously. You spit in the faces of our founders and if I were in the same room with you, I'd spit in your face and you'd do nothing about it other than cry like a little bitch.

You lose again. Your argument fails so you fall to personal attacks and threats. Another sure sign that your argument has no merit and you have no cogent argument to make. You are a pretty funny guy.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Unlike you, I served in the military and took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and I still take that oath seriously.

I served 20+ years and retired, how many did you serve? You again make ass-u-mptions about things you know little about.

They should be deported to make room for the undocumented and LEGAL Mexican immigrants who truly understand the American dream.

You must be a Mexican or the son of an illegal Mexican...