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Old 09-13-2007, 11:58 AM   #1
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I am just looking for someone to present concrete evidence of some grand conspiracy. So far no one has been able to do so.
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:02 PM   #2
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Wouldn't it just be business as usual; but with newer, better tools?
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:32 PM   #3
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Wouldn't it just be business as usual; but with newer, better tools?
That would be true if you bought the fact that there was widespread fraud in any history of recent elections. I do not.
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:10 PM   #4
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That would be true if you bought the fact that there was widespread fraud in any history of recent elections. I do not.
It's called a graveyard mentality. The obvious problem does not exist until hundreds die. TheMercenary is simply using the same logic to prove no voting problems will even exist until fraud elects a president. Graveyard mentality.
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:45 PM   #5
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I am just looking for someone to present concrete evidence of some grand conspiracy. So far no one has been able to do so.
Why do you need concrete evidence that it has happened? Isn't it enough that there is concrete evidence that it is insanely easy to do and therefore, if it hasn't happened already, it eventually will?
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:07 PM   #6
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Why do you need concrete evidence that it has happened? Isn't it enough that there is concrete evidence that it is insanely easy to do and therefore, if it hasn't happened already, it eventually will?
You have to be kidding right? You think just because something can happen it will. We could have a nuclear war but we haven't. Yea, I want concrete proof of widespread voter fraud in US elections. Got any?
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Old 09-14-2007, 03:37 AM   #7
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You have to be kidding right? You think just because something can happen it will. We could have a nuclear war but we haven't. Yea, I want concrete proof of widespread voter fraud in US elections. Got any?
Oh, it happens.

Flyers have been sent out to misdirect voters on dates and polling places. Official-looking people have been stationed at polling places to intimidiate voters with demands. In Philadelphia, it's been taken a step further with physical violence.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:37 PM   #8
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Oh, it happens.

Flyers have been sent out to misdirect voters on dates and polling places. Official-looking people have been stationed at polling places to intimidiate voters with demands. In Philadelphia, it's been taken a step further with physical violence.
Note key word "widespread". None of that has proven to made a difference in the eventual outcome.
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:33 AM   #9
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You have to be kidding right? You think just because something can happen it will. We could have a nuclear war but we haven't. Yea, I want concrete proof of widespread voter fraud in US elections. Got any?
We have to remember who is running the elections, partisans of the two major parties. They both try to game the system with varying success. Both groups of partisans are true believers so even cheating is righteous. There is cheating in every election from Lincoln marching Republican boys to the polls to Democratic caskets voting in Philadelphia.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:38 PM   #10
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We have to remember who is running the elections, partisans of the two major parties. They both try to game the system with varying success. Both groups of partisans are true believers so even cheating is righteous. There is cheating in every election from Lincoln marching Republican boys to the polls to Democratic caskets voting in Philadelphia.
But the bottom line is that it has made little difference in the eventual outcome.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:52 AM   #11
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It made a big difference in Florida, in 2000.
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Old 09-16-2007, 02:01 PM   #12
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You have to be kidding right? You think just because something can happen it will. We could have a nuclear war but we haven't.
I support precautions against nuclear war as well.
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