Suffer the little children

DanaC · 08-23-2007, 12:17 PM

I don't know if people are aware of this, but the UK has had a spate of murders lately, where the killer and the victim were both children. There have also been a spate of killings where the victim was an adult and the killer a child, or group of children. Usually these have been teenagers, often gang related, sometimes not.

Yesterday in Liverpool a boy of 11 was gunned down as he walked home from playing football, shot three times. His killer, a teenage boy riding a BMX bike.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/6959562.stm

lumberjim · 08-23-2007, 12:23 PM

no wonder they won't let you violent fuckers have guns. christ!

xoxoxoBruce · 08-23-2007, 04:41 PM

I read that knifings are so common in some sections of London, Kevlar, back to school, clothes are selling like hot cakes.

bluecuracao · 08-23-2007, 05:16 PM

So it doesn't only happen in Philadelphia.

DanaC · 08-23-2007, 05:26 PM

Some, very small parts of London yes.

Happy Monkey · 08-23-2007, 06:05 PM

Is Kevlar good for knives? I thought it was more of a bulletproof thing.

I guess it would be better than poly-cotton blend at least.

minnmirman · 08-23-2007, 06:23 PM

kevlar is designed to prevent knife penetration as well as bullet or shrapnel.

Perhaps this spate of child killings (not only in UK, I assume theyre everywhere) are a product of the ongoing nannification (nanny state?) of our world along with decreased (in general) parental responsibility i see (if not in the UK DEFINITELY in the US)?

Ill come up with an argument to support this idea when ive had less back beers

Aliantha · 08-23-2007, 06:57 PM

Next thing you know they'll be sending all these little shitheads over here. (I know this isn't a funny subject. It just came into my head that's all)

Seriously though, what do you think is causing all this childhood violence Dana?

I've been shocked at the amount of bullying that goes on in schools here these days. I believe our culture has become a bit desensitized to aggressive behaviour so we allow our children to behave in ways which are inappropriate compared to how (in my memory at least) it was appropriate to behave when we were children. Kids are so sophisticated these days and from a very young age. Is it any wonder they're showing the less attractive traits normally seen in adults along with the more innocuous signs?

DanaC · 08-23-2007, 09:16 PM

In terms of violence by kids against kids, that's always been there. There have always been knife deaths over here. What's made the recent cases particularly shocking is the use of guns. We really aren't used to them yet. There are gangs in some of th inner city areas who look to an American style 'gang-culture' with guns holding a particular place within that gang culture, that a switchblade used to hold over here.

Those are just features though. Mostly the reasons are more socio economic than that. For the most part these incidents tend to happen in fairly deprived, high crime, urban areas. It's a complex issue though, I don't really know much about it. I would point out though that, although these are shocking and worrying trends, the numbers are still thankfully quite low overall.

The bullying thing. Yeah, it does seem to be worse. It's not that more kids are getting bullied, or more kids are engaged in bullying...it's that the results of the bullying so often seem to be worse than they would once have been. I don't know the answer.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-23-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I've been shocked at the amount of bullying that goes on in schools here these days. I believe our culture has become a bit desensitized to aggressive behaviour so we allow our children to behave in ways which are inappropriate compared to how (in my memory at least) it was appropriate to behave when we were children.

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Originally Posted by DanaC

The bullying thing. Yeah, it does seem to be worse. It's not that more kids are getting bullied, or more kids are engaged in bullying...it's that the results of the bullying so often seem to be worse than they would once have been.

Football (soccer).

Griff · 08-24-2007, 12:37 PM

In the States, I think you could trace much of it back to the war on drugs. We have a country piled high with personal weapons but the vast majority are never fired in anger. Mix in the drug trade and you've got violence that seems necessary to the perps and politicians and whole communities where life is cheapened.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 11:10 AM

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Official figures show that although Britain has some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the world, firearm use in crime has risen steadily.

DanaC · 08-25-2007, 12:07 PM

Unfortunately there's no way to know, at this point, what the corresponding rise in gun crime might have been, had no such law had been in place during that same period.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 05:30 PM

It's not English but you'll get the point.

TheMercenary · 08-26-2007, 07:58 AM

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08-23-2007, 12:17 PM	#1
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Suffer the little children I don't know if people are aware of this, but the UK has had a spate of murders lately, where the killer and the victim were both children. There have also been a spate of killings where the victim was an adult and the killer a child, or group of children. Usually these have been teenagers, often gang related, sometimes not. Yesterday in Liverpool a boy of 11 was gunned down as he walked home from playing football, shot three times. His killer, a teenage boy riding a BMX bike. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/6959562.stm

08-23-2007, 12:23 PM	#2
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	no wonder they won't let you violent fuckers have guns. christ! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-23-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I read that knifings are so common in some sections of London, Kevlar, back to school, clothes are selling like hot cakes. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-23-2007, 06:05 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Is Kevlar good for knives? I thought it was more of a bulletproof thing. I guess it would be better than poly-cotton blend at least. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-23-2007, 06:57 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Next thing you know they'll be sending all these little shitheads over here. (I know this isn't a funny subject. It just came into my head that's all) Seriously though, what do you think is causing all this childhood violence Dana? I've been shocked at the amount of bullying that goes on in schools here these days. I believe our culture has become a bit desensitized to aggressive behaviour so we allow our children to behave in ways which are inappropriate compared to how (in my memory at least) it was appropriate to behave when we were children. Kids are so sophisticated these days and from a very young age. Is it any wonder they're showing the less attractive traits normally seen in adults along with the more innocuous signs? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-23-2007, 05:16 PM	#4
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	So it doesn't only happen in Philadelphia.

08-23-2007, 05:26 PM	#5
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Some, very small parts of London yes.

08-23-2007, 06:23 PM	#7
minnmirman noob Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seymour WI/Ft Campbell KY Posts: 43	kevlar is designed to prevent knife penetration as well as bullet or shrapnel. Perhaps this spate of child killings (not only in UK, I assume theyre everywhere) are a product of the ongoing nannification (nanny state?) of our world along with decreased (in general) parental responsibility i see (if not in the UK DEFINITELY in the US)? Ill come up with an argument to support this idea when ive had less back beers

08-23-2007, 09:16 PM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	In terms of violence by kids against kids, that's always been there. There have always been knife deaths over here. What's made the recent cases particularly shocking is the use of guns. We really aren't used to them yet. There are gangs in some of th inner city areas who look to an American style 'gang-culture' with guns holding a particular place within that gang culture, that a switchblade used to hold over here. Those are just features though. Mostly the reasons are more socio economic than that. For the most part these incidents tend to happen in fairly deprived, high crime, urban areas. It's a complex issue though, I don't really know much about it. I would point out though that, although these are shocking and worrying trends, the numbers are still thankfully quite low overall. The bullying thing. Yeah, it does seem to be worse. It's not that more kids are getting bullied, or more kids are engaged in bullying...it's that the results of the bullying so often seem to be worse than they would once have been. I don't know the answer.

08-24-2007, 12:37 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	In the States, I think you could trace much of it back to the war on drugs. We have a country piled high with personal weapons but the vast majority are never fired in anger. Mix in the drug trade and you've got violence that seems necessary to the perps and politicians and whole communities where life is cheapened. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-25-2007, 12:07 PM	#13
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Unfortunately there's no way to know, at this point, what the corresponding rise in gun crime might have been, had no such law had been in place during that same period.

08-25-2007, 05:30 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's not English but you'll get the point. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-26-2007, 07:58 AM	#15
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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