Self Image or How you see yourself

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If you are good at something you are good at it... it is a fact, no emotion need be placed upon it.
False humility is about appeasing the envious.

What is true humility about, then? What is wrong with acknowleging someone elses achievements or aptitude? Shall I not be proud of my children or my family? What is wrong with expressing that?

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If you are good at something you are good at it... it is a fact, no emotion need be placed upon it.
False humility is about appeasing the envious.

umm


If false humility is about appeasing the envious then true humility is about???


Also you ( people ) will have an emotion about it regardless if it's labeled in our mind or not. You have emotion stating your beliefs. All motivation to do anything is brought on by an emotion. You can tamp it down and brush it off but it's still there 'till someday your taking pride in the fact you can deny your emotions so well. Emotions are sneaky buggers like that.

[Rhianne]

I look just like that girl in the mirror.

[DanaC]

Bugger that for a game of soldiers. If I am good at something I am going to feel proud or even smug about it.

True humility is about not bragging and not setting yourself above others or comparing yourself to others... has nothing to do with my point.
Completely separate issue.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

True humility is about not bragging and not setting yourself above others or comparing yourself to others... has nothing to do with my point.
Completely separate issue.

From the thread topic--it isn't.

[JuancoRocks]

Mac Davis speaks....

"Lord it's hard to be humble, but I'm doing the best that I can"

Then goes on to say.....

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
when you're perfect in every way.
I can't wait to look in the mirror
cause I get better looking each day.
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man.
Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
but I'm doing the best that I can.

I used to have a girlfriend
but she just couldn't compete
with all of these love starved women
who keep clamoring at my feet.
Well I prob'ly could find me another
but I guess they're all in awe of me.
Who cares, I never get lonesome
cause I treasure my own company.

I guess you could say I'm a loner,
a cowboy outlaw tough and proud.
I could have lots of friends if I want to
but then I wouldn't stand out from the crowd.
Some folks say that I'm egotistical.
Hell, I don't even know what that means.
I guess it has something to do with the way that I
fill out my skin tight blue jeans.

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
when you're perfect in every way,
I can't wait to look in the mirror
cause I get better looking each day
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man.
Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
but I'm doing the best that I can.
We're doing the best that we can

[lumberjim]

true humility is unconscious of it's own humility. It seeks not to be more humble than others. It is unaware.

there lies a trap in the allure of being illuminated. To strive for illumination by seeking to excel in humility and such areas creates a counterproductive effort vacuum. to be truly humble is to be thoughtless of it.

i am not at all humble. i think i am better than you. really, i do.

honestly. might just be my survival instinct working, or something. maybe the rum.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

true humility is unconscious of it's own humility. It seeks not to be more humble than others. It is unaware.

there lies a trap in the allure of being illuminated. To strive for illumination by seeking to excel in humility and such areas creates a counterproductive effort vacuum. to be truly humble is to be thoughtless of it.

i am not at all humble. i think i am better than you. really, i do.

honestly. might just be my survival instinct working, or something. maybe the rum.

That's ironic, LJ, because I still think of you as humblejim. Perhaps you are so unconcious of your humility that you have achieved perfection.

Gosh, I hope I didn't just destroy that.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

That's ironic, LJ, because I still think of you as humblejim. Perhaps you are so unconcious of your humility that you have achieved perfection.

Gosh, I hope I didn't just destroy that.

well....i don't really pay much attention to how humble i am. i probably come off as a tad arrogant most of the time, in fact. that post you quoted was begun with a serious message, but then i started to feel a bit silly as it went on, and i wound up going for the laugh....as usual.

the important part of the message was that i see the contradiction of those that portray themselves as superior based on their selflessness. we've had a joking repartee about this in the past....but it really does go on. when i was on tour, the 'super hippies' used to make me sad. they were the BEST hippies. in fact, they were the best at playing the role of a hippie, when in fact they were calculating and devious, not carefree and blissful like a true freak is.

my advice to the world: fucking be honest about yourself, and don't take yourself so seriously. you are just another brick in the wall.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

...the important part of the message was that i see the contradiction of those that portray themselves as superior based on their selflessness. we've had a joking repartee about this in the past....but it really does go on. ...

I'm a hundred times more humble than you.
- Weird Al Y.

[minnmirman]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I'm a hundred times more humble than you.
- Weird Al Y.

Haha I believe its 'more humble than thou art.'

I also believe Im a tard for knowing that off my head

Again.

has nothing to do with my point.

Geez... reading again.

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

One think most have issues with is, with matters of integrity, I do not feel a need to take other's emotions into consideration.
Some take issue with that. I think it's childish.

This issue in the West of feeling good about ourselves, feeling proud of our accomplishments, taking compliments that are due and accepting aptitude is really sad and I discourage it among my students.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

True humility is about not bragging and not setting yourself above others or comparing yourself to others... has nothing to do with my point.
Completely separate issue.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again.
Geez... reading again.

I'm just gonna say it - I'm lost here, I must be reading the wrong words - what is your point? The issue of the West or taking compliments, or True humility?

It's probably me, but I really don't understand.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage
One think most have issues with is, with matters of integrity, I do not feel a need to take other's emotions into consideration.
Some take issue with that. I think it's childish.

This issue in the West of feeling good about ourselves, feeling proud of our accomplishments, taking compliments that are due and accepting aptitude is really sad and I discourage it among my students.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
True humility is about not bragging and not setting yourself above others or comparing yourself to others... has nothing to do with my point.
Completely separate issue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
Again.
Geez... reading again.

Originally Posted by yesman065

I'm just gonna say it - I'm lost here, I must be reading the wrong words - what is your point? The issue of the West or taking compliments, or True humility?

It's probably me, but I really don't understand.

Which one, you are looking at three separate posts?
The problem with the West is that we look to others for self-worth. Others do not matter in that judgment.
True humility, the same, it is not judged against the actions or talent of others but what you can do compared with what you are capable of.
One can learn from others, but I always discourage my students from comparing themselves to/with others... it is a mistake and cannot be done accurately, so it should not be attempted.
You are automatically limiting yourself. The only thing you should do in regards to others is try to do better than they. Even that should not be a goal... that is a comparison. But, "I can do that" is acceptable.
There is nothing wrong with it, people think one should not do it because it is "arrogant" or not humble... bullshit. Humility is about respect and reverence not limitations.