Amnesty In America

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

The fact was stated just so that those who know using political agendas (rather than facts) would respond. Throughout the world, the most productive economies are those who import and employ immigrants. And the most productive person is typically the third generation immigrant. Who are the lazy bastards on the dole? Mostly the lazy citizens who also worry more about their rights than their responsiblities.

The most productive people in a nation are its immigrants. Why are most American engineers (more than 50%) now immigrants and foreigners? It says much about Americans who believed Barbie: "Math is hard". George Jr also uses that work harrrd also as an excuse. Immigrants instead do the work. And TheMercenary makes accusations because he never bothered to learn basic facts - such as regional recessions created by a major crackdown on illegal immigrants.

I have no problem with immigrants. Everyone tends to be a better worker. Many can even understand the math I might be working on. It is the legacy Americans - those from a long line of American citizens - who tend to be more lazy and are lesser educated. But that last part is only my observation. Facts are that immigrant children are among the most productive Americans.

Be clear, I have no problem with immigrants either... legal ones. My problem is with illegal ones. I am pro-LEGAL immigration, through current legal processes, applications, and processing.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Be clear, I have no problem with immigrants either... legal ones. My problem is with illegal ones. I am pro-LEGAL immigration, through current legal processes, applications, and processing.

The only immigration problem we have is due to draconian laws. 1.8 million immigrants needed just for agriculture. Only 29,000 visa permited due to stupid laws.

What did 1770 American do when tax laws were stupid? They openly committed crimes. We call those people "great and patriotic Americans". Why? Because only the laws were to blame. Do we become smart - or be so stupid as to demand enforcement of rediculous laws?

American immigration laws are the problem. Illegal immigrants are simply the symptom of stupid laws that are just as stupid as prohibition. We need them and they need the work. That does not change whether laws make them legal or illegal.

[xoxoxoBruce]

1.8 million needed? OK, why are there 10 times that here? Openly commiting crimes.


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Originally Posted by tw

The only immigration problem we have is due to draconian laws. 1.8 million immigrants needed just for agriculture. Only 29,000 visa permited due to stupid laws.

What did 1770 American do when tax laws were stupid? They openly committed crimes. We call those people "great and patriotic Americans". Why? Because only the laws were to blame. Do we become smart - or be so stupid as to demand enforcement of rediculous laws?

American immigration laws are the problem. Illegal immigrants are simply the symptom of stupid laws that are just as stupid as prohibition. We need them and they need the work. That does not change whether laws make them legal or illegal.

Our laws are easier to navigate and more liberal the most in the world. Draconian? Not by a long-shot.

[bluecuracao]

Our immigration laws may or may not be easier than in other countries, but the fact is, they're not working. I think if the laws were actually easier (and less draconian), they would work better.

[xoxoxoBruce]

If the laws had been enforced from the git go, they would have been updated as needed, and we wouldn't have this mess. This is what happens when the laws are just ignored and it becomes a free-for-all.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If the laws had been enforced from the git go, they would have been updated as needed, and we wouldn't have this mess. This is what happens when the laws are just ignored and it becomes a free-for-all.

They haven't been enforced (completely anyway), because they are unrealistic laws. There aren't, and never will be, adequate resources to enforce laws that try to go too far, just to keep otherwise law-abiding people out of the U.S.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I agree. My complaint is, instead of fixing laws that don't work, they just ignored them. Ignoring laws for one's own convenience is habit forming, and a very bad habit at that.

When everybody ignored the laws, they completely lost control of the border. The problem is not just Mexicans, but the people entering through Mexico.