Do You Own a Gun?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

It's not a hyperbolic rhetorical construction when murders of this kind have happened and happened repeatedly. I've already said that clearly enough for someone thinking clearly to have gotten it. You aren't getting it, V.

Your attempt to declare my logic flawed does not make it so. It does demonstrate pretty murky thinking on your part, though. Avoid being blinded by your own invincible ego, or other less than rational patterns of thought: remember how badly Spexxvet came off in a contest like this one.

Once again, for (or to isolate) those who avoid understanding: if you're so very intelligent, why aren't you talking smarter? Why are you not studying the matter? Afraid of what you'll find in your own soul? I do not fear my subconscious, I'll tell you that much. People with antigun views are very much afraid of what they might do if they permitted themselves arms. If they repress this sufficiently, they have a great deal of trouble understanding it. See "Ragers Against Self-Defense" on JPFO's website for an introduction. (It's a remarkably complete explanation of Spexxvet's demonstrated state of mind wrt private armaments -- he went right down the list.)

Making it easier for criminals and crazies to go a-hunting is not the smart way to do things. The smart way is to make it harder, and strict gun control never makes it harder.

As for knowing your way of thinking, there's only one way that I can't "know approximately jack shit" about it: that's if you never post. I read your posts. I understand the thoughts you write down. I think they are ill founded, and you're going to hear about it, so don't descend into bitching.

My own facts? What nonsense is this? Simply because you won't cure your own ignorance -- which is what I did, and the material I've studied is available also to you -- does not mean I'm wrong. To insist that your ignorance is somehow superior to my study, which is in effect your whole attitude here, is mere perversity. I'm just not stupid enough to insist on believing other than the real, see? There's still plenty of room over here on the side of the angels.

You are in a most regrettable hurry to mistake a will to prevail even under the worst of possibilities with a fearful jumping at shadows. This is of course a very foolish way of looking at it, and one that the sensible man does not accept. It's a martial-arts viewpoint that does not increase paranoia -- quite the contrary. You'd know that had you ever taken any. If you are currently taking something and doubt my words, ask your sensei.

Bloody right I'm judging you -- on the basis of your posts and on your demonstrated thought. I am in the same position to judge you as you are to judge me, on the identical grounds, and my judgemental position is excellent: it is because I too am a moral being. You've got no call to complain -- if you're a moral being. Yet, do I detect a note of complaint?

That you experience at least occasional desire to own a gun is commendable, without qualification. The best people to own guns are the ones with the least desire to slay folks with them. That you do it from mistaking me for some sort of enemy, well, that's unfortunate, but I don't see what I can do to fix it. The people who are most hoplophobic also tend to misidentify potential threats or enemies -- another not-smart behavior. They cannot or will not tell the sheepdogs from the wolves. This incapacity is why I can tell they're not very bright.

Cowhead: just what the hell do you know about it? I challenge you. Back it up or withdraw it.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

It's not a hyperbolic rhetorical construction when murders of this kind have happened and happened repeatedly. [ad hominem]I've already said that clearly enough for someone thinking clearly to have gotten it. You aren't getting it, V.[/ad hominem]

Your attempt to declare my logic flawed does not make it so. [ad hominem]It does demonstrate pretty murky thinking on your part, though. Avoid being blinded by your own invincible ego, or other less than rational patterns of thought: remember how badly Spexxvet came off in a contest like this one.[/ad hominem]

Once again, for (or to isolate) those who avoid understanding: [ad hominem]if you're so very intelligent, why aren't you talking smarter?[/ad hominem] Why are you not studying the matter? Afraid of what you'll find in your own soul? I do not fear my subconscious, I'll tell you that much. People with antigun views are very much afraid of what they might do if they permitted themselves arms. If they repress this sufficiently, they have a great deal of trouble understanding it. See "Ragers Against Self-Defense" on JPFO's website for an introduction. (It's a remarkably complete explanation of Spexxvet's demonstrated state of mind wrt private armaments -- he went right down the list.)

Making it easier for criminals and crazies to go a-hunting is not the smart way to do things. The smart way is to make it harder, and strict gun control never makes it harder.

As for knowing your way of thinking, there's only one way that I can't "know approximately jack shit" about it: that's if you never post. I read your posts. I understand the thoughts you write down. I think they are ill founded, and you're going to hear about it, [ad hominem]so don't descend into bitching.[/ad hominem]

My own facts? What nonsense is this? [ad hominem]Simply because you won't cure your own ignorance[/ad hominem] -- which is what I did, and the material I've studied is available also to you -- does not mean I'm wrong. [ad hominem]To insist that your ignorance is somehow superior to my study, which is in effect your whole attitude here, is mere perversity.[/ad hominem] I'm just not stupid enough to insist on believing other than the real, see? There's still plenty of room over here on the side of the angels.

You are in a most regrettable hurry to mistake a will to prevail even under the worst of possibilities with a fearful jumping at shadows. [ad hominem]This is of course a very foolish way of looking at it, and one that the sensible man does not accept.[/ad hominem] It's a martial-arts viewpoint that does not increase paranoia -- quite the contrary. You'd know that had you ever taken any. If you are currently taking something and doubt my words, ask your sensei.

Bloody right I'm judging you -- on the basis of your posts and on your demonstrated thought. I am in the same position to judge you as you are to judge me, on the identical grounds, and my judgemental position is excellent: it is because I too am a moral being. You've got no call to complain -- if you're a moral being. Yet, do I detect a note of complaint?

That you experience at least occasional desire to own a gun is commendable, without qualification. The best people to own guns are the ones with the least desire to slay folks with them. That you do it from mistaking me for some sort of enemy, well, that's unfortunate, but I don't see what I can do to fix it. The people who are most hoplophobic also tend to misidentify potential threats or enemies -- another not-smart behavior. They cannot or will not tell the sheepdogs from the wolves. This incapacity is why I can tell they're not very bright.

Cowhead: just what the hell do you know about it? I challenge you. Back it up or withdraw it.

small words this time:

hyperbole: a exaggeration to make a point. "this book weighs a ton". your statement was an exaggeration to make a point.

hunting: the sport of pursuing game. like animals, for sport or food. people are not game. they're not being pursued for sport or game. it's called murder, something very different.

preserve: an area maintained for a special purpose. these areas are maintained for the special purpose of education. they're called schools.

you're wrong wrong wrong on all accounts. "your own facts" is what you're doing when you just making up definitions for words that for which everybody else already has well established definitions, very different definitions. what's more, you avoid the correct but less provocative less inflammatory more fantastic descriptions. you slipped in this recent post though when you correctly called it murder.

as for knowing my way of thinking, you're still at zero. you still understand nothing about it. your explanation that you "know" because you "understand" what I post falls short, particularly in the "understand" area. a good example of this is your lack of "understanding" the basic, common, accepted definitions of terms like "murder" "school" "hyperbole" "hunting preserve". your repeated misuse of public objectively verifiable concepts like these make me certain you don't understand something much more complex like someone's thinking. I reckon I could post the meaning of the universe in fifty words or less and you'd fail to understand it. [/ad hominem] it's the understanding you're failing.

I'll give you another free shot though. I strenuously object to lies like yours. I find them objectionable because of the great harm the inflict on the public discourse. This is not a case of calling a spade a spade, this is calling a spade a TERRORIST, a BOOGEYMAN, a ... HUNTER. this wild exaggeration inflames and distracts and perhaps that is your purpose. But it does nothing to help make things better. It helps solve nothing. It is wasteful destructive divisive and distracting. It is like dumping toxic waste on the public commons--hurtful to all and helpful to none. When I see it happening, I resist it. This is the evil I shall not let triumph by doing nothing.

judge away--I'll give them the same low credence I give your free ranging re-definitions of common english words. you call things names that they are not. you call me immoral and grotesque; I am not. you call schools hunting preserves for crazies; they are not. your credibility is approximately zero, and in perfect proportion to the value of your judgment.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

....remember how badly Spexxvet came off in a contest like this one....

It's not suprising that you have this perception, since you are ignorant, close-minded, and advocate violence, you loser.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

...(It's a remarkably complete explanation of Spexxvet's demonstrated state of mind wrt private armaments -- he went right down the list.)...

Shoot 'em, up, killer.

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

butt fucks you in the mouth.

Gotta love when you can fit that in somewhere!

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

It's not suprising that you have this perception, since you are ignorant, close-minded, and advocate violence, you loser.



Shoot 'em, up, killer.

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

Please show where he advocates violence.
You, however, do so in this post.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Please show where he advocates violence.

I know that you espouse that crazy "I have a gun so that there is no violence" bullshit, but the logical conclusion to having a gun is that someone, eventually, will get shot. Civilized people call that "violence".

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You, however, do so in this post.

Yup. Some people need a good buttfucking in the mouth. I hope UG thanks you real good for sticking up for him - he can't do it himself, you know.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I know that you espouse that crazy "I have a gun so that there is no violence" bullshit, but the logical conclusion to having a gun is that someone, eventually, will get shot.

No, that "logical" conclusion, is not logical. You have poisons in your house, does that mean someone will get poisioned?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, that "logical" conclusion, is not logical. You have poisons in your house, does that mean someone will get poisioned?

Poison isn't a weapon that you buy to kill someone, as a handgun is.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Another ridiculous statement not based in fact. I have many handguns and not one was purchased to kill someone nor have they.

Oh, and poisons are weapons, sometimes weapons of mass destruction.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

Heinlein remarked of pacifists, somewhere in The Notebooks of Lazarus Long [Time Enough For Love] that their pacifism only stretches so far. When it snaps, he said, "they hoist the Jolly Roger." This is a textbook illustration.

Thanks for demonstrating how the hoplophobes crack, and show the viciousness within, to say nothing of logistical or anatomical incoherence.

Your kind of pacifism is not a well-advised, balanced path of life.

I've walked a better road in my life. It's not too late for you. Repent.