Do You Own a Gun?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

My point is that I/we recognize that a person has the right to live because that's the way we were socialized. Not everybody thinks that way, which means there are not universal "rights", they differ by society. I think your example of the jungle people shows that. Ask them if the children have a right to live. Ask a Saudi if a thief has the right not to have his hand cut off for stealing. As soon as you understand that rights differ by society, you have to acknowledge that they are determined by society.

If that's your point, than you have no point. We do have universal, immutable, and undeniable rights and they are the same for all people regardless of what personal beliefs they have or what kind of culture or "society" they live in or were raised in. Some "societies" violate rights more than others, but that does not mean people don't have the universal and natural rights that are being violated.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

If that's your point, than you have no point. We do have universal, immutable, and undeniable rights and they are the same for all people regardless of what personal beliefs they have or what kind of culture or "society" they live in or were raised in. Some "societies" violate rights more than others, but that does not mean people don't have the universal and natural rights that are being violated.

Wrong. They may violate what you perceive as rights, but your perception doesn't make it so.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Wrong. They may violate what you perceive as rights, but your perception doesn't make it so.

Wrong. My rights aren't a perception, a "concept", or a social agreement. My rights are a tangible reality whether or not you choose to ignore them. If you doubt my rights are a reality, try to violate them and you will find very real bullets in your ass.

[xoxoxoBruce]

General Question Has anyone changed their mind or position because of this thread?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

General Question Has anyone changed their mind or position because of this thread?

Yeah. four times. Now I'm back where I started, just twice as certain.

But the way, which issue are you talking about? Guns? Rights? Ridiculing posts? Radar's assholicity? Not that it really matters...

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Yeah. four times. Now I'm back where I started, just twice as certain.

But the way, which issue are you talking about? Guns? Rights? Ridiculing posts? Radar's assholicity? Not that it really matters...

Looks who is acting Ass Holier than thou now!