Shooting at Virginia Tech

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Unfair and cowardly would be to kill your opponent before they have a chance to shoot - as soon as you see the gun.

I would disagree. That would be the smartest move. If a criminal pulls a gun on you and you shoot and kill that person, you will not find a jury that will convict that person for defending themselves. Well unless they are OJ's jury.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I would disagree. That would be the smartest move. If a criminal pulls a gun on you and you shoot and kill that person, ...

Are you saying that you will have your gun out and ready to shoot before the criminal does? If you don't, it would be unlikely that you could draw your gun and shoot the criminal first, since he has his gun already pointing at you.

A criminal walks up to you, points his gun at you and says "give me all your gum". How are you going to kill him, even if you're packing heat?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Are you saying that you will have your gun out and ready to shoot before the criminal does? If you don't, it would be unlikely that you could draw your gun and shoot the criminal first, since he has his gun already pointing at you.

A criminal walks up to you, points his gun at you and says "give me all your gum". How are you going to kill him, even if you're packing heat?

No one can state how or where and under what circumstances anyone is going to encounter any situation. Who knows? I will tell you if I have a chance to pull it out and shoot the person dead, without asking questions, I will do it. Of course you are talking to someone who has had formal combat CQ handgun training from H&K. So my position is much different from others. There are many ways to foil events like this. Dramatic gestures work very well in diffusing situations like this. One of the least used and most effective is for a person to put his/her hands up and scream at the top of your lungs over and over "Don't shoot..... (bla, bla, bla)". Fall to the ground and obtain your weapon and fire. There are others, but you need to be ready and train for such events. Nine times out of ten you have been targeted because you presented yourself as a target. Situational awareness is number one. Learning to avoid becoming a victim is more important than learning to shoot a gun, or owning one. There are plenty of law abiding citizens male and female, who should probably not allow themselves to get anywhere near a gun, for their own safety.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No one can state how or where and under what circumstances anyone is going to encounter any situation. Who knows? I will tell you if I have a chance to pull it out and shoot the person dead, without asking questions, I will do it.

Or die trying.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Of course you are talking to someone who has had formal combat CQ handgun training from H&K.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! You're the ginchiest! My hero! I'm soooooooo impressed!

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So my position is much different from others.

The lotus? Doggie style?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

There are many ways to foil events like this. Dramatic gestures work very well in diffusing situations like this. One of the least used and most effective is for a person to put his/her hands up and scream at the top of your lungs over and over "Don't shoot..... (bla, bla, bla)". Fall to the ground and obtain your weapon and fire.

If I were a criminal, with my gun out, and you made a "dramatic gesture", you'd be dead.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

There are others, but you need to be ready and train for such events.

Unfortunately, most Americans aren't.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

.... Situational awareness is number one. Learning to avoid becoming a victim is more important than learning to shoot a gun, or owning one. ...

That's what I'm talking about. There are many things one can do to avoid killing or being killed with a gun.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Or die trying.


Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! You're the ginchiest! My hero! I'm soooooooo impressed!



The lotus? Doggie style?



If I were a criminal, with my gun out, and you made a "dramatic gesture", you'd be dead.



Unfortunately, most Americans aren't.



That's what I'm talking about. There are many things one can do to avoid killing or being killed with a gun.

And you want a serious reply to those comments??? My bad I thought you wanted a serious answer...

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And you want a serious reply to those comments??? My bad I thought you wanted a serious answer...

The only statement that could be responded to was whether your possition was Lotus or doggie style. Seriously...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Are you saying that you will have your gun out and ready to shoot before the criminal does? If you don't, it would be unlikely that you could draw your gun and shoot the criminal first, since he has his gun already pointing at you.

A criminal walks up to you, points his gun at you and says "give me all your gum". How are you going to kill him, even if you're packing heat?

I would just grab your happy ass and hold you in front of me until they finished firing all of their bullets, hoping that you would catch most of them in your chest or head and I would be missed completely. Then I would knock the bad guy down with your limp body by throwing your bloody mess at him! Then I would give him your gum.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

A criminal walks up to you, points his gun at you and says "give me all your gum". How are you going to kill him, even if you're packing heat?

Why, you'd have to be Quick Draw McGraw!