Do You Own a Gun?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

It's not a hyperbolic rhetorical construction when murders of this kind have happened and happened repeatedly. [ad hominem]I've already said that clearly enough for someone thinking clearly to have gotten it. You aren't getting it, V.[/ad hominem]

Your attempt to declare my logic flawed does not make it so. [ad hominem]It does demonstrate pretty murky thinking on your part, though. Avoid being blinded by your own invincible ego, or other less than rational patterns of thought: remember how badly Spexxvet came off in a contest like this one.[/ad hominem]

Once again, for (or to isolate) those who avoid understanding: [ad hominem]if you're so very intelligent, why aren't you talking smarter?[/ad hominem] Why are you not studying the matter? Afraid of what you'll find in your own soul? I do not fear my subconscious, I'll tell you that much. People with antigun views are very much afraid of what they might do if they permitted themselves arms. If they repress this sufficiently, they have a great deal of trouble understanding it. See "Ragers Against Self-Defense" on JPFO's website for an introduction. (It's a remarkably complete explanation of Spexxvet's demonstrated state of mind wrt private armaments -- he went right down the list.)

Making it easier for criminals and crazies to go a-hunting is not the smart way to do things. The smart way is to make it harder, and strict gun control never makes it harder.

As for knowing your way of thinking, there's only one way that I can't "know approximately jack shit" about it: that's if you never post. I read your posts. I understand the thoughts you write down. I think they are ill founded, and you're going to hear about it, [ad hominem]so don't descend into bitching.[/ad hominem]

My own facts? What nonsense is this? [ad hominem]Simply because you won't cure your own ignorance[/ad hominem] -- which is what I did, and the material I've studied is available also to you -- does not mean I'm wrong. [ad hominem]To insist that your ignorance is somehow superior to my study, which is in effect your whole attitude here, is mere perversity.[/ad hominem] I'm just not stupid enough to insist on believing other than the real, see? There's still plenty of room over here on the side of the angels.

You are in a most regrettable hurry to mistake a will to prevail even under the worst of possibilities with a fearful jumping at shadows. [ad hominem]This is of course a very foolish way of looking at it, and one that the sensible man does not accept.[/ad hominem] It's a martial-arts viewpoint that does not increase paranoia -- quite the contrary. You'd know that had you ever taken any. If you are currently taking something and doubt my words, ask your sensei.

Bloody right I'm judging you -- on the basis of your posts and on your demonstrated thought. I am in the same position to judge you as you are to judge me, on the identical grounds, and my judgemental position is excellent: it is because I too am a moral being. You've got no call to complain -- if you're a moral being. Yet, do I detect a note of complaint?

That you experience at least occasional desire to own a gun is commendable, without qualification. The best people to own guns are the ones with the least desire to slay folks with them. That you do it from mistaking me for some sort of enemy, well, that's unfortunate, but I don't see what I can do to fix it. The people who are most hoplophobic also tend to misidentify potential threats or enemies -- another not-smart behavior. They cannot or will not tell the sheepdogs from the wolves. This incapacity is why I can tell they're not very bright.

Cowhead: just what the hell do you know about it? I challenge you. Back it up or withdraw it.

small words this time:

hyperbole: a exaggeration to make a point. "this book weighs a ton". your statement was an exaggeration to make a point.

hunting: the sport of pursuing game. like animals, for sport or food. people are not game. they're not being pursued for sport or game. it's called murder, something very different.

preserve: an area maintained for a special purpose. these areas are maintained for the special purpose of education. they're called schools.

you're wrong wrong wrong on all accounts. "your own facts" is what you're doing when you just making up definitions for words that for which everybody else already has well established definitions, very different definitions. what's more, you avoid the correct but less provocative less inflammatory more fantastic descriptions. you slipped in this recent post though when you correctly called it murder.

as for knowing my way of thinking, you're still at zero. you still understand nothing about it. your explanation that you "know" because you "understand" what I post falls short, particularly in the "understand" area. a good example of this is your lack of "understanding" the basic, common, accepted definitions of terms like "murder" "school" "hyperbole" "hunting preserve". your repeated misuse of public objectively verifiable concepts like these make me certain you don't understand something much more complex like someone's thinking. I reckon I could post the meaning of the universe in fifty words or less and you'd fail to understand it. [/ad hominem] it's the understanding you're failing.

I'll give you another free shot though. I strenuously object to lies like yours. I find them objectionable because of the great harm the inflict on the public discourse. This is not a case of calling a spade a spade, this is calling a spade a TERRORIST, a BOOGEYMAN, a ... HUNTER. this wild exaggeration inflames and distracts and perhaps that is your purpose. But it does nothing to help make things better. It helps solve nothing. It is wasteful destructive divisive and distracting. It is like dumping toxic waste on the public commons--hurtful to all and helpful to none. When I see it happening, I resist it. This is the evil I shall not let triumph by doing nothing.

judge away--I'll give them the same low credence I give your free ranging re-definitions of common english words. you call things names that they are not. you call me immoral and grotesque; I am not. you call schools hunting preserves for crazies; they are not. your credibility is approximately zero, and in perfect proportion to the value of your judgment.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

....remember how badly Spexxvet came off in a contest like this one....

It's not suprising that you have this perception, since you are ignorant, close-minded, and advocate violence, you loser.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

...(It's a remarkably complete explanation of Spexxvet's demonstrated state of mind wrt private armaments -- he went right down the list.)...

Shoot 'em, up, killer.

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

butt fucks you in the mouth.

Gotta love when you can fit that in somewhere!

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

It's not suprising that you have this perception, since you are ignorant, close-minded, and advocate violence, you loser.



Shoot 'em, up, killer.

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

Please show where he advocates violence.
You, however, do so in this post.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Please show where he advocates violence.

I know that you espouse that crazy "I have a gun so that there is no violence" bullshit, but the logical conclusion to having a gun is that someone, eventually, will get shot. Civilized people call that "violence".

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You, however, do so in this post.

Yup. Some people need a good buttfucking in the mouth. I hope UG thanks you real good for sticking up for him - he can't do it himself, you know.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I truly hope that someone takes one of your handguns right out of your cowardly hands, butt fucks you in the mouth, and shoots you to death.

Heinlein remarked of pacifists, somewhere in The Notebooks of Lazarus Long [Time Enough For Love] that their pacifism only stretches so far. When it snaps, he said, "they hoist the Jolly Roger." This is a textbook illustration.

Thanks for demonstrating how the hoplophobes crack, and show the viciousness within, to say nothing of logistical or anatomical incoherence.

Your kind of pacifism is not a well-advised, balanced path of life.

I've walked a better road in my life. It's not too late for you. Repent.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Meanwhile, for a true understanding of arms:

Halbrook, Stephen P.: That Every Man Be Armed: the Evolution of a Constitutional Right

Lott, John: More Guns Less Crime

Tonso, William R., ed.: The Gun Culture and its Enemies

Kates, Don B.: [practically anything -- this Constitutional lawyer is well grounded]

Schulman, J. Neil: Stopping Power, secondarily Self Control, Not Gun Control

Simkin, Zelman, and Rice: Lethal Laws: "Gun Control" is the Gateway to Genocide

These are just some of what I have at my fingertips. BigV cannot muster the same degree of scholarship.

[BigV]

As a separate post...

Please, Urbane Guerrilla, stop calling people stupid. Ok? As a favor to me, would you please?

Thanks in advance.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by BigV

As a separate post...

Please, Urbane Guerrilla, stop calling people stupid. Ok? As a favor to me, would you please?

Thanks in advance.

Sorry, V, but whenever you speak stupidly -- assuming I catch you at it -- I'll call you on your suboptimum thinking. It is hardly ad-hominem to point out errors. In a forum, stupid is as stupid speaks.

You are in effect asking me, through all your arguments, such as they are, to leave you in your previous condition of ignorance.

Knowledge is preferable to ignorance, is it not?

Leaving you in your previous condition of unknowingness would hardly be the action of a friend, now would it?

Is insisting upon ignorance the action of an intelligent adult human being?

You seem to have a little problem with me trying to bring a sort of balance here: I know something, and you don't. I do not understand your refusal to know better than once you did. Knowing better worked for me. I used to be ignorant too.

You are free to do the sort of thinking you do precisely because the people who think as I do are the ones standing watch -- in camouflage uniforms, in blue shirts behind badges, and in plain clothes.

If I am in a building for the purpose of killing people and am the only armed individual, with victims trapped in classrooms... it is a game preserve.

I have hunted on game preserves, that describes them exactly. There is no difference.

If you just don't like the fact that we are talking about humans as the prey, that is something you are going to have to deal with on your own.

It is an accurate description of the situation.

[BigV]

bullshit.

Originally Posted by BigV

bullshit.

Oh, well of course, it all makes perfect sense now!

[HungLikeJesus]

rkz, you have taken one aspect of the debate and stripped away the emotional rhetoric. I find it difficult to disagree with what you've said.

[Aliantha]

It would generally be understood that people go hunting for the thrill of it. That is to say, to test their skill and thier wits against that of the beast.

People who commit gun crime generally have different motivations than the simple thrill of it even if they're committing mass murder.

Schools are not hunting preserves.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Maybe not, but it sure makes a good spot to kill a bunch of people with little interference or much chance of anyone shooting back, for a period of time.

Hunting preserve may be hyperbole or even exaggeration, but not a lie.