Israeli airstrike into Gaza kills fighter

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I just blame the kind of Palestinian who can't think of anything better to do about it all than to be at feud with the Jews.

I blame the Zionists who can't think of anything better than do then settle Palestinian land and kick them out of their home because they think they are more worthy of the land than they are.

Presumably there are some other Palestinians who are smarter than that, and I wish they'd get busy shooting the other ones. Then the survivors can start making a ton of money trading with the Israelis. Shekels spend as well as dinars...

Or maybe everyone should work together to combine Israel and Palestine into one country.

Was anyone paying attention to that portion of the British Mandate (or the Ottoman empire) before a bunch of Jews moved in and made a success of the place?

By raping the Palestinian people? Maybe there are reasons for this sudden economic improvement? Oppression?

The root of the Palestinian problem is that Syria and Jordan won't allow them to be or to live in Syria and Jordan. Instead, these regrettable Middle Eastern Entities require the Palestinians to fester in their current condition.

No, the root of the Palestinian problem is that Israel won't allow them to be or to live in their home country. Instead, these regrettable Israelites require the Palestinians to fester in their current conditions.

Peoples have been shoved out of old territories before by the migrations of others; the Palestinians are in no unique case. Here, though, they have been forcibly prevented from resettling in some friendlier place by agencies external both to them and to Israel. That's about all the difference I can find.

Israel should open its borders to Palestinians and use the one-state solution. It is the only one that will work and help both sides. It is obvious you like Israel more than Palestine but you have to take the interests of both countries or the country, either one, you ignore will start strapping bombs to themselves and cause even more problems.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I blame the Zionists who can't think of anything better than do then settle Palestinian land and kick them out of their home because they think they are more worthy of the land than they are.

They gave back Gaza. They gave back the sections of Lebanon they had occupied. Then they were attacked on exactly those fronts. Can you explain?

No, the root of the Palestinian problem is that Israel won't allow them to be or to live in their home country.

Q: How many days after the UN declared the borders of Israel were they attacked?
A: One.
Q: How did most Jews wind up in Israel?
A: They were forced/coerced out of the surrounding Arab countries.

Can you explain?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

They gave back Gaza. They gave back the sections of Lebanon they had occupied. Then they were attacked on exactly those fronts. Can you explain?

Once you explain about the 380,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0514-04.htm

Q: How many days after the UN declared the borders of Israel were they attacked?
A: One.
Q: How did most Jews wind up in Israel?
A: They were forced/coerced out of the surrounding Arab countries.

Can you explain?

1. The neighboring countries already knew of the Israeli state and were not going to accept it from the beginning. How many days before they attacked doesn't mean anything since this conflict has been going on for a half century. The British knew a conflict was coming and the British tried to compromise with the Zionists but they refused to go anywhere else. It does not justify the Arab attack on Israel but it means we could have done something to avoid it.
2. I might go a little off-topic with this but right now, but the Jewish immigration was in the best interests of the Jews for obvious reasons but it is the part of them kicking everyone out and keeping them in poverty is what I extremely disagree with. A single Israeli state will only cause conflict because both sides will never accept the other but if we join them together, it leaves room for compromise and a new step forward. Not all Arabs want the Israelis dead, it is just an extreme view taken by few. These few are the ones committing the crimes against Israel so they get more attention.

[Undertoad]

Can you explain?

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Once you explain about the 380,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

You can't explain. Got it.

I might go a little off-topic with this but right now, but the Jewish immigration was in the best interests of the Jews for obvious reasons but it is the part of them kicking everyone out and keeping them in poverty is what I extremely disagree with.

You can't explain. Got it.

This is an extremely complicated situation and you appear to know dick about it, yet you want to make sweeping suggestions about what should happen. Let's continue, more homework.

1) 10% of Israel's government is made up of Arab Israelis. What percent of the surrounding Arab countries' governments are made of Jews?

2) Why did Israel invade and occupy the West Bank?

3) In a 2003 poll, 76% of Israelis would give up the West Bank in exchange for lasting peace. What would similar polls in Palestinian territories find?

4) When Jordan was created in 1923, what happened to the Jews who lived there?

5) Why do Palestinians demand a single state solution? Why don't Israelis want that? (Hint: same reason)

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You can't explain. Got it.

It could be many reasons. They may want to make themselves look better in the world community, they may want peace, or they may want to encourage Gaza terrorist groups to come into Israel to attack instead of attacking the soldiers stationed in Gaza. The ten year truce probably had some influence with it too.

You can't explain. Got it.

There was racism against the Jews.

1) 10% of Israel's government is made up of Arab Israelis. What percent of the surrounding Arab countries' governments are made of Jews?

0%, there are no Jews in Jordan and a very very small amount of Jews in Syria and Egypt. Why would Jews want to live as a minority when they can live in Israel? I don't see the relevance of this.

2) Why did Israel invade and occupy the West Bank?

They were attacked by an Egyptian-Syrian-Jordan alliance and they used it as a chance to expand their borders.

3) In a 2003 poll, 76% of Israelis would give up the West Bank in exchange for lasting peace. What would similar polls in Palestinian territories find?

I couldn't find any polls on it but I also couldn't find the poll you were talking about it. Could you lead me to it?

4) When Jordan was created in 1923, what happened to the Jews who lived there?

They closed all migration and settlements to Jordan and all the Jews probably migrated to Israel but I didn't find anything on that.

5) Why do Palestinians demand a single state solution? Why don't Israelis want that? (Hint: same reason)

There is not one reason for the single-state solution just as you said, this is a very complex situation. A single-state potentially gets rid of Zionism, which started most of the trouble in the first place, presents the Palestinians and Israelis as equals instead of an almost caste system, and will show the world that two very different groups can work together and find peace.

I'm not sure what reason you are going at but by same reason do you mean that Israelis would be expelled? If a single-state solution happened then we would have to work to avoid that at all costs if it ever presents itself as a problem.