Gardasil

[ravenranter]

What I've read so far about Gardasil makes me reconsider:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases...06gardasil.htm

http://evilslutopia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gardasil.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070326/houppert

http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/gardasil.htm

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by ravenranter

What I've read so far about Gardasil makes me reconsider:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases...06gardasil.htm

http://evilslutopia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gardasil.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070326/houppert

http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/gardasil.htm

Well, I guess it is a personal decision. I think that I will fall on the side of protecting my kids from genital warts and the few virus's that cause the majority of cervical cancers and give her the best shot. For those that choose not to get it, good luck. There has always been a fight by a few groups who are anti-vaccine. Vaclib.org is a perfect example. Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines, which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines. I think and the GYN physicians I have spoken to all reccomend that people get it if they can. After you see a few 20 year olds with grade 3 carcinoma of the cervix you may change your mind. Good luck.

[glatt]

Good. I encourage lots of parents to give the vaccine to their kids. The more guinea pigs the better. That way, when my daughter is old enough to get the vaccine, we'll have a better idea how safe and effective it is.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines, which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines.

This is bullshit - do some research.

Originally Posted by ravenranter

not to mention that the vaccination is only covering 4 out of some 100 types of HPV. I also wonder if those viruses are able to mutate like other viruses.

And most of the time, even these 4 strains are taken care of by a healthy immune system. It would make more sense to figure out what is wrong with the immune systems that can't deal with them, than to vaccinate everyone ie. look for a cure instead of managing symptoms. Vaccines are not harmless.

I suspect Igf-1, found in cow's milk, has alot to do with it.... but I really don't know shit.

And as far as mutation, that doesn't even need to happen. When you wipe out one strain of bacteria or virus, you just create an opportunity for another that it's been suppressing.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

This is bullshit - do some research.
And most of the time, even these 4 strains are taken care of by a healthy immune system. It would make more sense to figure out what is wrong with the immune systems that can't deal with them, than to vaccinate everyone ie. look for a cure instead of managing symptoms. Vaccines are not harmless.

No, that is bull shit. Most women who have been sexually active will eventually have HPV. How about you explain to me how you come to the conclusion that the immune system takes care of HPV? Often the virus is dormant for years before cells begin to change conformation. You do the research, and I ain't talking about some on-line research where you get all excited because you find anti-vaccine sites that support you ideas. Go to school. Those 4 strains cause over 60% of the cervical cancers. I see that as a potential reduction of 60% of you getting the disease. Hey if you fall into the 40% category, that is 100% for you. Statistically speaking vaccines are in fact fairly harmless or we wouldn't get them, but hey if you want to get polio or pertussis give me a shout I can tell you where to go to get it.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Most women who have been sexually active will eventually have HPV. How about you explain to me how you come to the conclusion that the immune system takes care of HPV?

Because most women don't get cancer or genital warts. In most women, the HPV just goes away.

The bullshit I was calling you on was quoted. Are you going to defend that?

edit:
Fuck, I'm not fixing this, sorry.
- Jinx

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

Because most women don't get cancer or genital warts. In most women, the HPV just goes away.

The bullshit I was calling you on was quoted. Are you going to defend that?

edit:
Fuck, I'm not fixing this, sorry.
- Jinx

So jinx and lumberjim are the same people, what the fuck is that about.??????


be more specific,

1. Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines.
2. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines.

What do you think is bullshit? all of it?

1. Despite this, there is evidence in Western Europe, the US, Japan, Australia, and other countries of a growing anti-vaccine movement. This movement has resulted in major disruptions and even cessation of vaccine programs, with resultant increased morbidity and mortality. Of interest is an examination of the factors that seem to contribute to the current trend of anti-vaccine sentiment. In this paper we will examine the current anti-vaccine movement and provide case studies involving pertussis and hepatitis B vaccines. We will then discuss the implications for public health vaccine policy. Finally, we will propose a framework for understanding how individuals make decisions about receipt of vaccines.
http://members.tripod.com/vaccinesup...nderstand.html

Here are some more facts:
Got to love Quack Files, the guy does a good job.
http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/vaxquotes.html

There is a ton of stuff to read out there.

2. page 26 and 27 requirements for college vaccines:
http://www.immunize.org/laws/izlaws01-02.pdf
Given many large universities, at least the one my kid goes to, requires all freshmen to live on campus the first year. Hence they are subject to the vaccine requirements.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So jinx and lumberjim are the same people, what the fuck is that about.??????

well, duh. didn't you know? there are only 8 of us (actual humans)on here, really. Jinx and I are also Brianna, Undertoab, glatt, BigV, sycamore, footfootfoot, BigMcLargeHuge, TheCia, Spencer, tw., and beestie. Man, i think i left one off.......oh yeah,... Flint.





yeah.....no. actually, we're married......she was on my computer, and forgot to switch logins. you'll have this.(like the spexx holywood sign was actually me)

[jinx]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything.

You don't need to homeschool, there are exemptions from vaccine requirements in every state.
You don't need to avoid crowds either... that's just silly.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

You don't need to homeschool, there are exemptions from vaccine requirements in every state.
You don't need to avoid crowds either... that's just silly.

Ok, so I missed that on both accounts. I thought you were talking about the main points. Yea, that was just me being dramatic. The point I would make is that you are rolling the dice, and depending on where you live you may be taking a bigger chance than you think. Take pertussis for example. Look at this map:

http://www.pertussis.com/locate.html

Some states are at a much greater risk.

And now the disease is making a comeback. This may be due to better reporting and originally a big underreporting.

Bottom line is vaccines are important and have absolutely revolutionized public health in all parts of the world. Get them.