August 19, 2006: Naked woman hugs dead pig in performance art (NSFW)

[maninthebox]

There's a pig in the picture? Where? I don't see one.

[euchrid]

Tori Amos did the whole 'pig statement' much better on 'Boys for Pele', where she suckled (as in breast fed a pig) on the album art.

For some reason, the middle classes think people should pay to see them indulge their own fantasies. When the poor or stupid create 'art' like this in their own homes, they are locked up.

Ms O'Reilly could fuel her "unexpected fantasies of mergence and interspecies metamorphoses" and enhance her "undercurrent of pigginess" by 'squealing like a pig' (Deliverance style), going to live in a pig sty for a year (naked, of course), or hanging upside and bleeding like one. Now that I would pay to see.

However, what she is doing is no worse than an average business does on a day-to-day basis. Why is it OK to eat and wear animal products where the animal has been treated much worse before and after death, but when some dumb young lady takes off her clothes and messes around with a dead pig, everyone gets upset? Anyone seen what goes on in an abbatoir (or a mortuary, come to think of it)? If I was the pig, I'd rather be despatched in the arms of a naked woman in the dubious name of 'art' than be sent to the grinder and end up in a McBreakfast.

[The 42]

You know, If I took a carboard jeep, turned it upside down, painted a purple streak diagnolly down the middle, and sat on it naked wearing only red socks, and took a picture of myself, it would sell for a million dollars as modern art!

[moonspider666]

it would probably just kill the jeep industry

[joelnwil]

The thing that bothers me about this kind of stuff is that it certainly - and rightly - gives the artistic community a bad name. Where is there a sane artist or professor who denounces this as non-art and fundamentally fradulent? Let's hear from the professors of art at the universities, and from some real artists. Any word from them? Or are they just as stupid and deranged as this woman and the Art Gallery. Are artists all so stupid that nobody will condemn this?

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by joelnwil

The thing that bothers me about this kind of stuff is that it certainly - and rightly - gives the artistic community a bad name. Where is there a sane artist or professor who denounces this as non-art and fundamentally fradulent? Let's hear from the professors of art at the universities, and from some real artists. Any word from them? Or are they just as stupid and deranged as this woman and the Art Gallery. Are artists all so stupid that nobody will condemn this?

Really, she's a piker compared to some of the truly depraved and morally bankrupt members of the "art community" SWMBO is always railling on about Damien Hirst (sp?) Google some links as to what he calls art. The critics and collectors lap it up with a spoon.

I'm far from PETA, (friends *do* eat friends) but a particularly egregious example of his was to adhere live butterflies to wet paint on his canvas.

It serves no point, it doesn't illuminate or educate, it doesn't heal people, or uplift in any way.

I recall a story my friend told me about when he and his brothers were young: They were sitting around and my friend's brother was pulling the legs off an ant. His uncle came along and told him to stop. The brother began to launch into a whole quasi philosophical rationalization about how the ant doesn't feel pain like we do, and how it isn't hurting the ant, etc. And the uncle looked at the boy and said "I don't care what it's doing to the ant, I care about what it's doing to you."

That stopped him cold and gave him something to think about.

Leaving aside the matter of what is happening to the butterflies, what is the "artwork" doing to you, the viewer?

[kisrael]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

It serves no point, it doesn't illuminate or educate, it doesn't heal people, or uplift in any way.

Damn, sounds like you don't want art, you want Jesus.

Personally I think it sounds like an interesting piece.

I think Art is What You Can Get Away With, and if this gal is doing just that, and maybe getting some people to think about their relationship with other mammals, or just enjoying seeing boobs in artsy setting, more power to her.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by kisrael

Damn, sounds like you don't want art, you want Jesus.

Personally I think it sounds like an interesting piece.

I think Art is What You Can Get Away With, and if this gal is doing just that, and maybe getting some people to think about their relationship with other mammals, or just enjoying seeing boobs in artsy setting, more power to her.

Nahh, I found Jesus, he was under the couch the whole time. But stupid drivel isn't art even if you are wearing Buddy Holly glasses and have your jeans cuffed up about four inches.

If you think art is what you can get away with then you are on your way to millions. Good Luck!

Boobs, on the other hand are always welcome and theya re especially artsy in adult films which claim veracity as art, but are really jsut protected speech.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I don't know much about art, but .......I've got a dictionary.

art ~ n.
1-Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

2-a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2-b. The study of these activities.
2-c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3-High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

4-A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

5-A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

6-a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
6-b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

7-a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
7-b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

8-a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
8-b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

9-Printing Illustrative material.

Art ~ v.
A second person singular present indicative of be.

Well, it's as clear as mud, but it covers the ground. By the dictionary's definitions, I'd say if someone says it's art, it is.

Personally, I think it's bad art.... but to each, his/her own.

[DanaC]

And the uncle looked at the boy and said "I don't care what it's doing to the ant, I care about what it's doing to you."

That's chilling. On an unrelated note, three days ago in my town, a kitten was found which had been beheaded and had a paw cut off. The head and paw are still missing. Wonder if whomever did that started first on ants and flies.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That's chilling. On an unrelated note, three days ago in my town, a kitten was found which had been beheaded and had a paw cut off. The head and paw are still missing. Wonder if whomever did that started first on ants and flies.

Ants and flies are confirmed gateway creatures.

[Sundae]

Meh. The League of Gentlemen did it better:

SCENE 12. INT. LOCAL SHOP. DAY.

EDWARD SHARPENS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PIECE OF BONE INTO A SHARP POINT. WE HEAR SOBBING.

EDWARD:
You see, road men…this is a local shop.

WE SEE THE TWO SURVEYORS ARE HALF NAKED AND TIED TO A CHAIR. THEY STILL WEAR THEIR HELMETS.

The strangers you would bring would not understand us – our customs, our local ways.

WE SEE TUBBS SAT ON THE COUNTER, BREAST FEEDING A PIGLET. SHE SMILES IN PLEASURE.

[Griff]

It is often about the hype not the content as Han van Meegeren showed.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Griff

It is often about the hype not the content as Han van Meegeren showed.

HA HA HA! I love it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Thanks Griff, I love it too.