Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

"good" and "evil" are terms I don't recognize, tw.

Israelis, including Israeli arabs, are more likely to be honest than most people living in Arabic cultures, because they live in a modern culture where truth is considered more important than honor.

In a culture where crimes can cost a hand - Arabs are more dishonest? Bull. Dishonesty and lying is exists and equal on both sides. Both sides are equally human. Both sides now have equal disrespect for human life. That disrespect is fundamental to why conflict exists.

One need only watch how Israelis confiscate Palestinian land illegally and in outright violation of laws to appreicate how lying, criminal deceit, and other crimes against humanity are acceptable in Israel. After all, which nation arranged for and achieve the massacre of 5000 Palestinian women and children? And yet even in the Cellar, so many posters don't remember how corrupt Israel also is. Israelis are no different from their Arab peers which is why even the Oslo Accords were destroyed.

Remember why I could doubt those accusations of aluminum tubes and other claims of WMDs. Why I saw early on the lies of Iraq, outright and obvious violations of Military Science 101 by the George Jr administration, and the potential for civil war directly traceable to American ignorance. I grew up watching propaganda created. I demand the irrefutible fact. Facts remain that Israel is no more moral than so many of their Arab adversaries. They even routinely attack Red Cross and Red Cresent ambulances. This is the same Israel that murdered their own prime minister because he was actually negotiating peace. This is a moral Israel? Facts say otherwise. But as Rabin demonstrated, Israel can also be honest - if ....

Extremist Israelis will routinely lie - are the most immoral. Remember why the US and USSR came closest to nuclear war - because Israelis lied. But again, this is the same honest Israel that 'accidently' attacked USS Liberty. Eliminate the obvious biases, then Israelis as a nation are no more honest or moral than their Arab peers.

They even murdered their own prime minister only because he was working for peace - the Oslo Accords. What Arab nation did that? Many Israelis are so dishonest as to even deny that fact.

Israelis are about as dishonest and immoral as their Arab neighbors. History demonstrates that fact. Only personal biases would deny it.