Suffer the little children...

06-09-2006, 10:44 PM

I posted down in the relationship's forum about getting involved with a man I knew I would have serious issues with.

Well. the first has already raised its ugly head. He was raised a Pentecostal Christian and he believes unbaptized children go to hell - even itty bitty ones who are a day or two old. He says these children go to hell to punish theiir parents with their suffering.

HUH!?

How can anyone who subscribes to this belief be a genuine, kind person in the here and now?????

Thoughts, please?

wolf · 06-09-2006, 11:04 PM

If my theory is correct, the more uncomfortable you are, the better a relationship you will have, so ...

On a more serious note:

If that kind of belief is a deal breaker for you, then follow your own insticts and ethics regarding relationships.

Ask him what he thinks about Catholic Limbo, although I understand that the last Pope shut down Limbo shortly before he died.

(If he holds that closely to his Pentecostal beliefs, incidentally, you ain't gonna get none without convertin' and marryin'.)

xoxoxoBruce · 06-10-2006, 12:45 AM

Your best option is in between "In the Flesh" and "Waiting for the Worms".

Hint....Pink Floyd's The Wall.

Ibby · 06-10-2006, 01:22 AM

Dammit Bruce, now I have to go listen to some Floyd.

CAUSE IF THEY CATCH YOU IN THE BACKSEAT TRYIN'TA PICK HER LOCKS
THEYRE GONNA SEND YOU BACK TO MOTHER IN A CARDBOARD BOX!

zippyt · 06-10-2006, 01:36 AM

CAUSE IF THEY CATCH YOU IN THE BACKSEAT TRYIN'TA PICK HER LOCKS
THEYRE GONNA SEND YOU BACK TO MOTHER IN A CARDBOARD BOX!

You beter RUN !!!

Ibby · 06-10-2006, 03:12 AM

The singer for the fascist trio on Is There Anybody Out There - The Wall Live 80-81 is so cool.

Are there any... paranoids in the audience tonight? Is there anyone that worries about things?
...Pathetic.
This is for all the WEAK people in the audience! Is there anyone here who's weak?
This is for you, it's called Run Like Hell.

Kagen4o4 · 06-10-2006, 04:20 AM

Mari. hes a dick. dead babies all go to the same place we do. the ground.

WabUfvot5 · 06-10-2006, 04:23 AM

Most religions make their followers feel chosen in some way. The more who goto hell, no matter how stupid the reason, the more the follower feels special / chosen / blessed.

DanaC · 06-10-2006, 04:48 AM

I have no patience whatsoever with creeds that fill people up with such dangerous and damaging nonsense. Why dangerous and damaging? Because it causes distress to so many people when they most need comfort.

My Granddad went to the grave convinced he was going to hell. Not some Mormen idea of it being just like heaven but without the presence of God....no. Flesh burning, bone melting, demon infested, humiliating and devastating Hell.

Bastards.

Trilby · 06-10-2006, 07:18 AM

Hell? Shooooooot, girl. I already been there! They don't send babies to hell. Lord, lord. I agree with Pink Floyd and zippyt: You better RUN.

MaggieL · 06-10-2006, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko

Suffer the little children

Yikes...the Pentacostal nonsense aside, let's not corrupt the meaning of the Biblical quote.

In full, it would read:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark10:13-16

And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.

But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

In this case "suffer" means "allow"...it doesn't have anything to do with "suffering" in the modern sense.

You'd have to reach out to OT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exodus 20:5-6

You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me, and showing mercy to thousands of those that love Me and keep My commandments.

...or maybe go non-Biblical to...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euripides (c. 485-406 B.C.), Phrixus, fragment 970

The gods visit the sins of the fathers upon the children.

...or...

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Horace, "Odes," III, 6, l. 1.

For the sins of your fathers you, though guiltless, must suffer.

...which probably found its way to...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice, III,V,l.1

The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-10-2006, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

The singer for the fascist trio on Is There Anybody Out There - The Wall Live 80-81 is so cool.

Are there any... paranoids in the audience tonight? Is there anyone that worries about things?
...Pathetic.
This is for all the WEAK people in the audience! Is there anyone here who's weak?
This is for you, it's called Run Like Hell.

We have a winner.

Ibby · 06-11-2006, 06:35 AM

Come ONNNN, Bruce, that was too easy. I didn't even need the hint! I don't think you can find a bigger Floyd fan that wasnt alive when floyd was actually around.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-11-2006, 10:22 AM

But you're not normal.

skysidhe · 06-11-2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But you're not normal.

'Not normal' as in 'not common place' or 'not run of the mill' but you probably already knew that Ibram.

and Bruce expected you to know that.

I'm just being protective I guess. I dunno why

06-09-2006, 10:44 PM	#1
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Suffer the little children... I posted down in the relationship's forum about getting involved with a man I knew I would have serious issues with. Well. the first has already raised its ugly head. He was raised a Pentecostal Christian and he believes unbaptized children go to hell - even itty bitty ones who are a day or two old. He says these children go to hell to punish theiir parents with their suffering. HUH!? How can anyone who subscribes to this belief be a genuine, kind person in the here and now????? Thoughts, please?

06-09-2006, 11:04 PM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If my theory is correct, the more uncomfortable you are, the better a relationship you will have, so ... On a more serious note: If that kind of belief is a deal breaker for you, then follow your own insticts and ethics regarding relationships. Ask him what he thinks about Catholic Limbo, although I understand that the last Pope shut down Limbo shortly before he died. (If he holds that closely to his Pentecostal beliefs, incidentally, you ain't gonna get none without convertin' and marryin'.) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-10-2006, 12:45 AM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Your best option is in between "In the Flesh" and "Waiting for the Worms". Hint....Pink Floyd's The Wall. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-10-2006, 01:22 AM	#4
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Dammit Bruce, now I have to go listen to some Floyd. CAUSE IF THEY CATCH YOU IN THE BACKSEAT TRYIN'TA PICK HER LOCKS THEYRE GONNA SEND YOU BACK TO MOTHER IN A CARDBOARD BOX! __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

06-10-2006, 01:36 AM	#5
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	CAUSE IF THEY CATCH YOU IN THE BACKSEAT TRYIN'TA PICK HER LOCKS THEYRE GONNA SEND YOU BACK TO MOTHER IN A CARDBOARD BOX! You beter RUN !!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

06-10-2006, 03:12 AM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	The singer for the fascist trio on Is There Anybody Out There - The Wall Live 80-81 is so cool. Are there any... paranoids in the audience tonight? Is there anyone that worries about things? ...Pathetic. This is for all the WEAK people in the audience! Is there anyone here who's weak? This is for you, it's called Run Like Hell. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

06-10-2006, 04:20 AM	#7
Kagen4o4 The Sheriff of Nothingland Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Aus Posts: 1,794	Mari. hes a dick. dead babies all go to the same place we do. the ground. __________________ something we both can enjoy??

06-10-2006, 04:23 AM	#8
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Most religions make their followers feel chosen in some way. The more who goto hell, no matter how stupid the reason, the more the follower feels special / chosen / blessed.

06-10-2006, 04:48 AM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I have no patience whatsoever with creeds that fill people up with such dangerous and damaging nonsense. Why dangerous and damaging? Because it causes distress to so many people when they most need comfort. My Granddad went to the grave convinced he was going to hell. Not some Mormen idea of it being just like heaven but without the presence of God....no. Flesh burning, bone melting, demon infested, humiliating and devastating Hell. Bastards.

06-10-2006, 07:18 AM	#10
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Hell? Shooooooot, girl. I already been there! They don't send babies to hell. Lord, lord. I agree with Pink Floyd and zippyt: You better RUN. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

06-11-2006, 06:35 AM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Come ONNNN, Bruce, that was too easy. I didn't even need the hint! I don't think you can find a bigger Floyd fan that wasnt alive when floyd was actually around. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

06-11-2006, 10:22 AM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But you're not normal. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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