Virtual Learning

socrates · 08-12-2002, 01:11 PM

Hi

I'm new here. Nice to meet you all.
I was referred to this site from a book I was reading about lifelong learning.
I happened to wonder if any of you had used virtual colleges for degree courses or other and what your experiences were!
I live very rural and work strange hours so the usual enlist in a bricks and mortar adult education course isnt the thing for me.
I know that many Uni's and college's must be offering degree programme's completely online now, but where on earth do you start?

Any thoughts?

Cheers

Socrates

08-12-2002, 02:09 PM

What book? And how was it mentioned?

elSicomoro · 08-12-2002, 02:14 PM

The easiest way to start, IMO, is to look at schools that have the type of program you are looking for, then see if they offer that degree online. The one school I know where you can get a degree completely online is Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. I think the major choices are limited though.

Nic Name · 08-12-2002, 03:11 PM

Phoney doctor convicted in $4-million medicare fraud

Last Updated Mon Aug 12 14:39:36 2002

HAMILTON - Stephen Chung was given an 18-month conditional sentence on Monday after apparently providing quality health care to people in Hamilton over a period of 15 years.

Chung defrauded the provincial health care system of about $4.5 million, treating about 1,000 patients without ever graduating from medical school.

His 18-month conditional sentence includes 150 hours of community service. The Crown had asked for 18 to 24 months in jail.

The case is thought to be the largest medicare fraud in Canadian history.

Between 1983 and 1998, Chung practised medicine in Hamilton, Ont., earning a good reputation among his colleagues and without a single patient complaint to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario.

A routine check of credentials by the college four years ago uncovered the fact that he had never graduated medical school.

The degree from a medical school in the Dominican Republic which he presented to get an Ontario medical insurance (OHIP) billing number was a phoney.

After flunking out of medical school at the University of Manitoba, Chung bought the fake diploma in 1981. He took the exams required for people with a foreign medical degree and applied for an internship at McMaster University in Hamilton. In 1983, he was granted an OHIP registration number.

The college checked the degrees of all 25,000 doctors registered in the province after it discovered a Michigan man without a valid degree had been briefly granted a number in 1995.

The college now verifies all degrees before granting a registration number.

As soon as Chung's phoney degree was uncovered, he was stripped of his licence and a police investigation started.

socrates · 08-12-2002, 04:05 PM

What book? And how was it mentioned?

The book was called Peak Learning by Ron Gross and it really gives the lowdown on self learning techniques rather than being drilled into it in an institutionally based learning enviroment.

The site(the cellar) was mentioned alongwith another one called the echo(San Fransisco) I think. They were recommended as sites which offered chat/discussion in an enviroment relatively nerd/porn/moron free.

Nic Name · 08-24-2002, 03:05 PM

You may want to check out Open University.

MaggieL · 08-24-2002, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by socrates
What book? And how was it mentioned?
The site(the cellar) was mentioned alongwith another one called the echo(San Fransisco) I think. They were recommended as sites which offered chat/discussion in an enviroment relatively nerd/porn/moron free.

Nerd free? Never. But is it possible that the one in SF was "The Well"? One thing about the Internet is that by the time information gets printed on paper, it may be obsolete. "Peak Learning" was originally published in 1999, and then a revised paperback edition came out in April 2001.

The Well and The Cellar do still exist, which is a tribute to the sense of community they fostered. But you really lucked out that they both still exist, allbeit in very differnt form from their original.

Kind of interesting that Mr. Gross uses the name "socrates" himself..

http://adulted.about.com/library/blchat-082300.htm
http://www.ronaldgross.com/socrates.html

Just a coincidence, right? :-)

jaguar · 08-24-2002, 07:19 PM

Cellar got mentioned in a book?! Sweet!
Nerd free? Gotta be kidding.

MaggieL · 08-24-2002, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
Cellar got mentioned in a book?! Sweet!

This isn't the first time. Read the history

Nic Name · 08-24-2002, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Just a coincidence, right? :-)

Good catch, Maggie!

jaguar · 08-24-2002, 08:14 PM

I have but its interesting that the web based version got a writeup, i guess this place is pretty unique.

Nic Name · 08-24-2002, 08:29 PM

Ron was such a smooth shill for his book here in the Cellar, he should be rewarded for his viral marketing with a little peak at Peak Learning.

I'd bet the book doesn't even mention the Cellar, though.

Like this place is moron free. Really!

Live and learn, eh, Ron?

MaggieL · 08-24-2002, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nic Name
Ron was such a smooth shill for his book here in the Cellar, he should be rewarded for his viral marketing with a little peak...

Peek. :-)
And if socrates is here pimping his own book (not yet admitted or proven), It's not "viral marketing". It's astroturfing

Quote:

Like this place is moron free. Really!

*Relatively* moron free. And the ratio certainly has varied over time. :-)

socrates · 08-25-2002, 03:12 AM

Peek. :-)
And if socrates is here pimping his own book (not yet admitted or proven), It's not "viral marketing". It's astroturfing

Hi guys

I WISH! I dont know if you have had people on marketing their wares before, but I really dont think the author, Mr Gross, needs to.

Two things....

If I wanted to market my own book, I would not be covert.

I wish I had his money!

Can I ask. Is it normal to be so suspicious of a post?

jaguar · 08-25-2002, 04:55 AM

This is the internet, we're all cynics.

08-12-2002, 01:11 PM	#1
socrates Always Learning Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Virtual Learning Hi I'm new here. Nice to meet you all. I was referred to this site from a book I was reading about lifelong learning. I happened to wonder if any of you had used virtual colleges for degree courses or other and what your experiences were! I live very rural and work strange hours so the usual enlist in a bricks and mortar adult education course isnt the thing for me. I know that many Uni's and college's must be offering degree programme's completely online now, but where on earth do you start? Any thoughts? Cheers Socrates

08-12-2002, 03:11 PM	#4
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	Virtual MD Phoney doctor convicted in $4-million medicare fraud Last Updated Mon Aug 12 14:39:36 2002 HAMILTON - Stephen Chung was given an 18-month conditional sentence on Monday after apparently providing quality health care to people in Hamilton over a period of 15 years. Chung defrauded the provincial health care system of about $4.5 million, treating about 1,000 patients without ever graduating from medical school. His 18-month conditional sentence includes 150 hours of community service. The Crown had asked for 18 to 24 months in jail. The case is thought to be the largest medicare fraud in Canadian history. Between 1983 and 1998, Chung practised medicine in Hamilton, Ont., earning a good reputation among his colleagues and without a single patient complaint to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario. A routine check of credentials by the college four years ago uncovered the fact that he had never graduated medical school. The degree from a medical school in the Dominican Republic which he presented to get an Ontario medical insurance (OHIP) billing number was a phoney. After flunking out of medical school at the University of Manitoba, Chung bought the fake diploma in 1981. He took the exams required for people with a foreign medical degree and applied for an internship at McMaster University in Hamilton. In 1983, he was granted an OHIP registration number. The college checked the degrees of all 25,000 doctors registered in the province after it discovered a Michigan man without a valid degree had been briefly granted a number in 1995. The college now verifies all degrees before granting a registration number. As soon as Chung's phoney degree was uncovered, he was stripped of his licence and a police investigation started.

08-12-2002, 04:05 PM	#5
socrates Always Learning Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	What book? And how was it mentioned? The book was called Peak Learning by Ron Gross and it really gives the lowdown on self learning techniques rather than being drilled into it in an institutionally based learning enviroment. The site(the cellar) was mentioned alongwith another one called the echo(San Fransisco) I think. They were recommended as sites which offered chat/discussion in an enviroment relatively nerd/porn/moron free. Last edited by socrates; 08-13-2002 at 04:42 AM.

08-24-2002, 03:05 PM	#6
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	RE: Virtual Learning You may want to check out Open University.

08-24-2002, 07:19 PM	#8
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Cellar got mentioned in a book?! Sweet! Nerd free? Gotta be kidding. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

08-12-2002, 02:09 PM	#2
dave Guest Posts: n/a	What book? And how was it mentioned?

08-12-2002, 02:14 PM	#3
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The easiest way to start, IMO, is to look at schools that have the type of program you are looking for, then see if they offer that degree online. The one school I know where you can get a degree completely online is Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. I think the major choices are limited though.

08-24-2002, 08:14 PM	#11
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I have but its interesting that the web based version got a writeup, i guess this place is pretty unique. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

08-24-2002, 08:29 PM	#12
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	Here's a Dose of Gross Ron was such a smooth shill for his book here in the Cellar, he should be rewarded for his viral marketing with a little peak at Peak Learning. I'd bet the book doesn't even mention the Cellar, though. Like this place is moron free. Really! Live and learn, eh, Ron? Last edited by Nic Name; 08-24-2002 at 08:44 PM.

08-25-2002, 03:12 AM	#14
socrates Always Learning Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Peek. :-) And if socrates is here pimping his own book (not yet admitted or proven), It's not "viral marketing". It's astroturfing Hi guys I WISH! I dont know if you have had people on marketing their wares before, but I really dont think the author, Mr Gross, needs to. Two things.... If I wanted to market my own book, I would not be covert. I wish I had his money! Can I ask. Is it normal to be so suspicious of a post?

08-25-2002, 04:55 AM	#15
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	This is the internet, we're all cynics. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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