Why do I love George Bush?

[wolf]

The story.

ACLU's statement where they say "defending child molesters doesn't mean we support child molesting."

Hmmmm... Yeah, so they are not actually defending child molester's per se. I think they bring up a very good point in their statement about each individual being accountable for his own actions. A person can't push responsibility off on Hostess Cup-cakes or the deranged writings of someone else and say "the devil made me do it."

I have a difficult time with the legitimacy of child porn in writing or pictures, however I do understand the slippery slope problem. Its not an easy question, but the ACLU was not defending people's right to molest children, Wolf.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by wolf

ACLU's statement where they say "defending child molesters doesn't mean we support child molesting."

Which is so obvious, it shouldn't need to be repeated for every case they take. But the fact that it shouldn't need to be repeated doesn't mean it doesn't need to be repeated.

Someone does X.
The government does Y, in response to X.

If the ACLU believes that Y is wrong, they take the case. X is irrelevant.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If the ACLU believes that Y is wrong, they take the case. X is irrelevant.

Which makes them amoral scum, IMHO. And it's not whether they believe Y is wrong, it's whether they believe that fighting Y will help maintain or increase their funding from fringe groups -- their only source of power, by the way.

The ACLU began nobly, answering real problems and fighting real injustice. Once their mission was accomplished (i.e., blacks have attained their rightful equality in the eyes of the law), they didn't want to let go of their lobbying power. So now, they'll jump into bed with anyone, no matter how repugnant, to keep their jobs and maintain the illusion of relevancy.

Screw em.

Ahem.

The ACLU began in 1920. It was not established for the express purpose of winning racial equality. In its first year, the ACLU fought the campaign of harassment and deportation ordered by U.S. Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer against politically radical immigrants, supported the right of Industrial Workers of the World members and other trade unionists to hold meetings and organize, and secured the release of hundreds of activists imprisoned for their anti-war views and activities.

In 1925, it was the ACLU who hired attorney Clarence Darrow for the defense in the infamous Scopes "monkey" trial in Tennessee which, if you will recall, had to do with teaching evolution in the public schools.

I'm glad that you feel the work of the ACLU is done in this age of racial harmony, intelligent design, and the Patriot Act.

I disagree, and so do the people who continue to donate money to this private, non-profit organization.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Ahem.

The ACLU began in 1920. It was not established for the express purpose of winning racial equality. In its first year, the ACLU fought the campaign of harassment and deportation ordered by U.S. Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer against politically radical immigrants, supported the right of Industrial Workers of the World members and other trade unionists to hold meetings and organize, and secured the release of hundreds of activists imprisoned for their anti-war views and activities.

Yes, they're commies.

Next question?

Yeppers, the American Way is to go to war and kill people while imprisoning those who question the government's decision , silence dissenting views, and refuse workers the right to organize in order to negotiate reasonable working conditions and wages.

I know! Let's send everyone who disagrees with Junior's little adventure in Iraq to Alaska, round up everyone with a surname that sounds funny to detention centers in the middle of the night, and award the contracts for housing the resulting prisoners to Halliburten and company. That will show the damn Commies!

You know, Wolf, I think you'd be much happier living under a small Latin American dictatorship somewhere - say Paraguay, perhaps. Brazil is interesting, too, if you want a larger arena.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by marichiko

You know, Wolf, I think you'd be much happier living under a small Latin American dictatorship somewhere - say Paraguay, perhaps. Brazil is interesting, too, if you want a larger arena.

I have this picture of Wolf as the new Eva Peron.

"Don't cry for me ..... what the (*&)(*& is the name of this place again?"

[wolf]

Originally Posted by marichiko

I know! Let's send everyone who disagrees with Junior's little adventure in Iraq to Alaska,

We can't send them to Alaska. They'll get in the way of the oil drilling.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Which makes them amoral scum, IMHO. And it's not whether they believe Y is wrong, it's whether they believe that fighting Y will help maintain or increase their funding from fringe groups -- their only source of power, by the way.

Actually, they gain much of their funding by requesting (and getting) the judge hearing their case to order that the losing side pay their legal fees in addition to the damages award, if any. So, not only do they get the standard percentage of the damages (up to half), they get all their billable hours, experts, and supplies paid.

They bill rather exhorbinantly, by all reports.