Why do we hate the french again?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Were YOU that family member?

Do you mean was I black, or was I related to sheep?

[LCanal]

Good wine, good cheese, good bread, beautiful women

Hey that's Laos

We should forget about iraq and iran and go to Xxxx and take all that shit for ourselves

Air America was there but left. USAF was there and left a shit load of UXO there.

[wolf]

Someone hacked tw's login again ...

(good one)

[Lunaephiliac]

Frankly, I find myself struggling to care. America is not yet perfect, and I'd rather work on that than try to fix somebody else's country.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Lunaephiliac

Frankly, I find myself struggling to care. America is not yet perfect, and I'd rather work on that than try to fix somebody else's country.

Wash your mouth out with Olympia.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Wash your mouth out with Olympia.

I prefer Coors as my mouthwash of choice. They don't call the stuff "Colorado Kool-aide" for nothing. Which reminds me of a joke (WARNING: thread de-rail in progress):

A Coloradoan, a Texan, and a Californian were sitting in a bar having a round of drinks. The Californian chugged his white wine spritzer and threw his empty wine glass at the wall and said, "In California we have so much money, we never drink out of the same wine glass twice." The Texan stared at the Californian, and then, not to be out-done, he swallowed his shot of Jack Daniels in a single gulp and threw his empty shot glass at the wall and bragged, "In Texas we have so much sand that we never drink out of the same shot glass twice." The Coloradoan looked in disbelief at the Texan and Californian, finished his can of Coors off, crumpled up the can, and drew out a gun and shot both the Californian and the Texan. Then the Coloradoan looked around the bar and announced, "In Colorado we have so many Californians and Texans, we never drink with the same ones twice!"

I imagine you could switch around states and nationalities to tailor this joke to suit your own situation.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Lunaephiliac is in Olympia country.

[BigV]

I reckon Lunaephilliac is in No Alcohol Sales to Minors country, Olympic or otherwise. Maybe a Starbucks' buzz iis in order.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Why do you think he/she is a minor?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Why do you think he/she is a minor?

Arithmetic

[xoxoxoBruce]

OK...fashion thread.

[bargalunan]

I'm lost in this forum

Sorry my english is not fluent but you won't have to bear my awful accent.
As soon as I read all your messages about french people I will answer you.

It's quite interesting to see the opposite opinion despite they are not always very kind for us.
For instance I've recently met russians people, the "old communists opponents" and the main thing I've listened is that we're all victime of our medias and schoolbooks (our intellectual laziness too !) that distort the truth.

Later
Bye

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by bargalunan

I'm lost in this forum

Sorry my english is not fluent but you won't have to bear my awful accent.
As soon as I read all your messages about french people I will answer you.

It's quite interesting to see the opposite opinion despite they are not always very kind for us.
For instance I've recently met russians people, the "old communists opponents" and the main thing I've listened is that we're all victime of our medias and schoolbooks (our intellectual laziness too !) that distort the truth.

Later
Bye

Don't go away! Stay and let us know how cool you are! We had a French person at the cellar a bit ago and he/she didn't do anything but insult American food...so, that didn't do any good! Hang around! Enlighten us!

[bargalunan]

Thank you Brianna

I’ve just read the 2 first pages.
First excuse me if my words exceed my thought.
It's not always easy to find all the shades I'd like to.

wolf :

Freedom Fries thing is laughable : OK it's true they are belgian
And I don't think freedom is a matter of choice among different fries !
if politics go on like this, it will be our last freedom.
coca or pepsi, shell or esso, nike or addidas... that's a pity.
(in their history US have already boycotted Francfort sausages which are german !)

lookout123 :
“I always thought the french were our pals until I did some work with their military and spent some time in their embassy. *ahem* fuck the frogs.”
Don’t mistake French people and military or embassy. Those are too often professional of betrayal. It’s the same for every country : France, China, GB, Germany, South Africa and of course US. Just look at history where alliances have been decided and so often not respected.
I want to add that our high school system produces a lot of inflated students, (I was one of them) and you may have met them in such a professional sphere. I imagine it’s the same with Yale and the “Skull and bones” and all US people are not like Yale’s students.
Furthermore I think we meet people who “resonate” like us wherever they come from.

Brianna

“They also pour sauce over everything and pronounce it delicious”
We say the same about English people !

Griff
“We hate them because they feel as strongly about France as we do about the good ole USA”
I don’t understand ole, but I think I agree

Richlevy
“Basically because they can be as arrogant, nationalistic, and self-centered as we are, without the military and economic arsenal to back it up.”
OK

Guyute

“Maybe because they have a knack for having someone pulling their irons out of the fire after being steamrolled, then acting like they would have done it anyway if they had a bit more time (De Gaulle was a puke like this), and then being to proud to admit that they were fucked if the good guys didn't help.” I imagine it’s “too” proud
De Gaulle : see Marichiko’s message

Radar

“they have a history of surrendering their country and being ingrateful when their bacon is saved by the United States”

In France we really really thank US soldiers who have poor their own blood, but not US government.
We think they could have interfere before, but they have waited Europe was destroyed enough to be sure to become the economical and political leader after the war. Furthermore Soviet Union was the new competitor that required to be stopped.
So France freedom itself was just a detail, it’s the reason Allied decided not to free Paris but to run to Berlin before Russians.

After the war the “president” Franco, dictator of Spain, has kept the power in his country despite he helped Hitler in sending spanish troops. Is it a manner to bring liberty in a country ?
Look on the net for information on Gladio, Stay behind, Paper Clip… thanks to this operations, the US put pro-US governments in Europe against European interests and recruited nazis scientists.
The Marshall plan helped Europe to rebuilt war damages but it wasn’t free, there was financial interests to refund after.
Governements are not humane, they don’t care about French, African, US people. They just believe in oil and money. Don’t listen to what they say, just look at their actions.
To be clear and frank I don’t trust states, governments, army, big firm, flags and medals, whatever they are : french, US or kenian…

Radar

“For me it's not so much the French I dislike, but Parisians.”
In France we say we must be crazy to live in Paris. It’s lovely in summer to visit as a tourist but not during the other seasons, it’s overcrowded with cars everywhere.

My town Nantes during a festival :
http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=8792
http://www.nantes.fr/ext/royal_de_lu...5/vendredi.asp
http://www.lean.to/gallery/royaldeluxe

“Because the Parisians shower infrequently, the women have hairy armpits”
Have you already been to Paris to verify that ? We say the same about Portugueses.
As for us US people are all fat like Mickael Moore. It’s so silly.


Marichiko

Thank you for your intervention

Jaguar : Hello

xoxoxoBruce :

“that's when the french took charge again and sowed the seeds of WW II.”
Yes with Clémenceau in Versailles Treaty 28 06 1919.
But you forget
- another French, George Mandel. Mandel, birth name : Jerobeam Rothschild
- Colonel Edward M. House and Bernard Baruch important employees of the Rothschild Bank.
- David Lloyd George prime minister of Great-Britain with his counsellor, Sir Philip Sassoon, “descendant in line” (translation OK ?) of Amschel Rothschild.
- Vittorio Emanuele Orlando minister-president of Italia.
- The last but not the least : Thomas Woodrow Wilson, president for the United States .
(You can notice the influence of bank Rotschild)

It’s always the same principle : states wants to divide, weaken and exploit their opponents : German secret service and banks propped up Lenine against tsar Nicolas 2 before the revolution of 1917 to weaken Russia.
Poland had always been a puppet between the interests of Germany, Russian and France, in order to protect all of them from each other.
US has won the cold war and divides URSS in several republics, and prop pro-US governments up in order to lead pipelines towards US tankers too. Iouchenko, the nice pro occidental Ukrainian president is fascist, so was his pro-Russian opponent. (A friend of mine is Ukrainian)
England, US, France (less now because of US influence), exploit African countries. Now US take the main role in Asia (except China ?). And I don’t talk about Arabian countries exploited from the beginning of 20th century by the “7 sisters” (US, English, French, Dutch petrol companies)

All those states have dirty hands !

If I was US I’d try to find information about “the Virginia company” because thanks to it, the Britain Crown could always be the owner of United States. It’s an economical power instead of a political domination which is too evident. Is it true ?


“Were we ready for a major land war? (in 1940) No. The government was still trying to figure out how to convince the public that wanted to stay out of it. Gee, maybe Pearl Harbor was part of that.“
OK for me


That’s all for today

Bye / A bientôt

[lookout123]

thanks for your response and welcome to the cellar.

it may be hard for you to understand but i seriously doubt that anyone in here really truly hates all french people. conversations like this are started more for humor, and then turn into friendly and not-so-friendly nose tweaking.

we can say that we dislike or hate a group of people, but then when you actually meet one on an individual basis you may find you like them. do i really hate the french? no not really. they are just people. i have no respect for the french military. i have no respect for the diplomats and foreign service workers that i met in the embassies. i believe that the french government parades and preens in the world of international politics without realizing that it has been some time since France was truly and international powerhouse. but there are a number of French people that i know and like. people are just people. some i like, some i dislike. nationality doesn't really matter. for instance, RichLevy is a cellarite that i disagree with on most every issue, but i'm willing to bet that he is a helluva nice guy that i'd enjoy conversing with. BUT when you have a group of people with RichLevy's views, it is easy to say "i don't like them", etc. it is the difference between group and person to person dynamics.

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and if you really think that the US waited to enter WWII until Europe was in a shambles so that we could step in take center stage in the world then i can understand why you might distrust and dislike America. unfortunately, that would be a misunderstanding of American sentiment and politics leading up to that time period.