tw & me

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It turned out that most other Western leaders were off on vacation too, as was Annan (who REALLY didn't return for five days).

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words

I just got off the phone with the President of Sri Lanka, she asked for help to assess the damage. In other words, not only did they want immediate help, but they wanted help to assess damage so that we can better direct resources.

A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What papers do you read dude?

Wait, don't bother answering, I'm just going to let you stew in your own juices, because nothing anyone says is going to get past your ignorance.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though.

India has a very special and careful relationship with the indigenous people on the islands of Andaman and Nicobar. For some unknown reason, they are very careful to protect these people from outside influences much like the Galapagos Islands are also protected. Is this where India may be rejecting foreign aid? I don't know details other than India is careful to limit outside exposure of these people.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though.

You're right Bruce...and until last week, they turned down ALL outside aid.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What day did the military finally get its marching orders? Thursday. This from the White House. The Lincoln was on scene two days later. The Marines finally arrived today. Why? George Jr finally made a decision last Thursday. For five days, nothing was dispatched. Timeline provides damning facts - dude.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

What day did the military finally get its marching orders? Thursday. This from the White House. The Lincoln was on scene two days later. The Marines finally arrived today. Why? George Jr finally made a decision last Thursday. For five days, nothing was dispatched. Timeline provides damning facts - dude.

That's funny, there were troops en route Sunday, on the ground Monday.

And I'm not a dude. But try pulling yer head outcherass....'dude'.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

That's funny, there were troops en route Sunday, on the ground Monday.

Care to first put some numbers to those troops? Where is this massive aid? What units? What troops? Where are the numbers? Good luck citing a major troop deployment for five days - dude.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

Care to first put some numbers to those troops? Where is this massive aid? What units? What troops? Where are the numbers? Good luck citing a major troop deployment for five days - dude.

I don't recall stating massive...I said they were there...in response to your insistance that no one was there for 5 days.

Dude.

Until you respond and tell me what YOU personally have done, I'm just going to ignore your drivel for what it is.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls?

My link showed you were mistaken, but I'm sure your opponents will call it dishonesty or incompetence.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

My link showed you were mistaken, but I'm sure your opponents will call it dishonesty or incompetence.

Please cite the quote? Yes he did offer some C-130s and some recon planes. Yes, he did offer $15million - which according to your citation was upped to $35 million on day three after the first wave of criticism. IOW that still constitutes a near zero response - similar to George Sr's response in the five days after Hurrican Andrew. FEMA will never make that mistake again. But again, if you see something different, then cite it. Where did he do anything more significant than a few phone calls on day three?