Singer Linda Ronstadt Ejected by Las Vegas Casino

Undertoad · 07-20-2004, 01:11 PM

If she were in a dirt bar singing this stuff and went off on a leftist rant in the middle of her set, she would get booed right offstage, and not collect her payday, and we would all nod and understand completely.

"I'd like to introduce my keyboard player Jimmy, give him a hand folks... he doesn't care if half of you don't care about the state of the country. Get up and dance people, unless you don't care about the landmines issue. Oh and please tip the waitresses, you morons."

Stipe once stopped a concert to complain about the brand of beer some fan was drinking. I don't get it: if we tell him to shut up and just sing, it's some kind of quashing of debate, but if Stipe wants to instruct the mob on what beers are politically correct it's not acting oppressive at all.

If they don't want certain people in the audience, or if they expect some sort of group-think, well I think they should print that on the tickets.

tw · 07-20-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

If they don't want certain people in the audience, or if they expect some sort of group-think, well I think they should print that on the tickets.

When did we have to print on the ticket that right wing and violent extremists are not welcome in any concert?

Radar · 07-20-2004, 01:19 PM

She wasn't trying to control the audience, she was expressing herself. The Audience is free to agree or disagree and to leave the concert. But destruction of property isn't allowed, and isn't the fault of someone expressing themselves. If those audience members don't like what she's saying or otherwise don't like her show, they're free to leave and not purchase her albums anymore.

What is it about the right-wing zealots that they can't grasp the concept of changing the channel or voting with their dollars? If something is offensive on television, the radio, etc. don't violate thier rights, just change the channel or turn it off. What's so hard about that?

smoothmoniker · 07-20-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

She wasn't trying to control the audience, she was expressing herself. The Audience is free to agree or disagree and to leave the concert. But destruction of property isn't allowed, and isn't the fault of someone expressing themselves. If those audience members don't like what she's saying or otherwise don't like her show, they're free to leave and not purchase her albums anymore.

Am I missing something, or is the "extremist, violent destruction of property" that we're referring to here the spilling of a few drinks, and maybe one drunk guy ripping down her poster on the way out?

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What is it about the right-wing zealots that they can't grasp the concept of changing the channel or voting with their dollars? If something is offensive on television, the radio, etc. don't violate their rights, just change the channel or turn it off. What's so hard about that?

What is it about left-wing zealots that always equates “voting with their dollars” as a form of censorship. Dixie-chicks piss off their audience, the core country fan base doesn't want to listen to them anymore, radio stations stop playing their music, and it's a censorship issue, a conservative witch-hunt.
Whoopie makes crude comments about the Prez, Slim-Fast realizes that a pretty good chunk of their market base probably likes the guy, so they vote with their pocketbook and drop her. Suddenly it's a censorship issue; Whoopie releases a statement accusing the Bush re-election campaign of scheming to harm her financially. I think the conservative right is pretty damn good at voting with their pocketbook. The thing you're pissed about is that our pocketbook holds billion dollar companies like Clear Channel, Newscorp, Nabisco, Aladdin, Icon ...

-sm

Radar · 07-20-2004, 01:46 PM

I really can't answer that question since I'm not a right-wing or a left-wing zealot. I have absolutely no problem with people voting with thier dollars. I don't consider it censorship. If I'm going to hire someone to sell a product, it will be someone for whom the consumers of my product will like. I wouldn't hire Michael Moore to represent Smith & Wesson, and I wouldn't hire George W. Bush to represent the United States of America.

DanaC · 07-20-2004, 01:49 PM

"My ex-wife works for the Alladin and it's filled with stuffy English pricks"

Theyre English? And they support Bush?

Griff · 07-20-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I wouldn't hire Michael Moore to represent Smith & Wesson, and I wouldn't hire George W. Bush to represent the United States of America.

*grin* nice line!

Beestie · 07-20-2004, 02:35 PM

Hey, maybe Derek Jeter can step out of the batter's box grab a wireless mic and start lecturing the fans in Yankee Stadium about how John Kerry is going to place our military under the control of Kofi Annan and the United Nations and its the duty of every red-blooded American to not vote for him. Who cares if its true - Jeter has the right to speak his mind, right?

Let's see all the Ronstadt supporters come to his aid. I'll be sure to hold my breath.

Griff · 07-20-2004, 02:42 PM

He can and Steinbrenner can trade him or put language (betcha it's already in there) in his contract (prolly MLB already has something in the collective bargaining agreement about pissing in the soup) forbidding it. If Linda broke a contractual agreement that is another thing entirely. When you go to see Ronstadt you know what you are in for. The dopes who made a scene probably went there intending to make a scene.

Griff · 07-20-2004, 01:58 PM

If you go to a Ronstadt concert you know the rant is coming, unless you actually think Rush has permission to use her music. This all played out the way it should in an open society, she says what she thinks and the casino decides whether in the future they want to give her a forum.

You know that the Dixie Chicks thing is more complicated than that, because the Feral Government decides who gets broadcast licenses. We do NOT have a free market in broadcast media.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2004, 01:24 PM

Depot Ronstadt to Mexico.
Send rioting patrons to Cuba.
Let's get back to debauchery.
Viva Las Vegas.

07-20-2004, 01:19 PM	#3
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	She wasn't trying to control the audience, she was expressing herself. The Audience is free to agree or disagree and to leave the concert. But destruction of property isn't allowed, and isn't the fault of someone expressing themselves. If those audience members don't like what she's saying or otherwise don't like her show, they're free to leave and not purchase her albums anymore. What is it about the right-wing zealots that they can't grasp the concept of changing the channel or voting with their dollars? If something is offensive on television, the radio, etc. don't violate thier rights, just change the channel or turn it off. What's so hard about that? __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

07-20-2004, 01:46 PM	#5
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I really can't answer that question since I'm not a right-wing or a left-wing zealot. I have absolutely no problem with people voting with thier dollars. I don't consider it censorship. If I'm going to hire someone to sell a product, it will be someone for whom the consumers of my product will like. I wouldn't hire Michael Moore to represent Smith & Wesson, and I wouldn't hire George W. Bush to represent the United States of America. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

07-20-2004, 02:35 PM	#8
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Hey, maybe Derek Jeter can step out of the batter's box grab a wireless mic and start lecturing the fans in Yankee Stadium about how John Kerry is going to place our military under the control of Kofi Annan and the United Nations and its the duty of every red-blooded American to not vote for him. Who cares if its true - Jeter has the right to speak his mind, right? Let's see all the Ronstadt supporters come to his aid. I'll be sure to hold my breath. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

07-20-2004, 02:42 PM	#9
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	He can and Steinbrenner can trade him or put language (betcha it's already in there) in his contract (prolly MLB already has something in the collective bargaining agreement about pissing in the soup) forbidding it. If Linda broke a contractual agreement that is another thing entirely. When you go to see Ronstadt you know what you are in for. The dopes who made a scene probably went there intending to make a scene. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis Last edited by Griff; 07-20-2004 at 02:48 PM. Reason: added MLB fixed engrish

07-20-2004, 01:58 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	If you go to a Ronstadt concert you know the rant is coming, unless you actually think Rush has permission to use her music. This all played out the way it should in an open society, she says what she thinks and the casino decides whether in the future they want to give her a forum. You know that the Dixie Chicks thing is more complicated than that, because the Feral Government decides who gets broadcast licenses. We do NOT have a free market in broadcast media. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-20-2004, 01:11 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If she were in a dirt bar singing this stuff and went off on a leftist rant in the middle of her set, she would get booed right offstage, and not collect her payday, and we would all nod and understand completely. "I'd like to introduce my keyboard player Jimmy, give him a hand folks... he doesn't care if half of you don't care about the state of the country. Get up and dance people, unless you don't care about the landmines issue. Oh and please tip the waitresses, you morons." Stipe once stopped a concert to complain about the brand of beer some fan was drinking. I don't get it: if we tell him to shut up and just sing, it's some kind of quashing of debate, but if Stipe wants to instruct the mob on what beers are politically correct it's not acting oppressive at all. If they don't want certain people in the audience, or if they expect some sort of group-think, well I think they should print that on the tickets.

07-20-2004, 01:49 PM	#6
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	"My ex-wife works for the Alladin and it's filled with stuffy English pricks" Theyre English? And they support Bush?

07-20-2004, 01:24 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Depot Ronstadt to Mexico. Send rioting patrons to Cuba. Let's get back to debauchery. Viva Las Vegas. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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