Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

What you have are good examples of poor leadership, overreach, and corruption. And that's what you should call them, because it would strengthen your argument.

Wanting to prosecute? A real fascist, you wouldn't have to base that example on assumed intentions, you'd just see them being prosecuted. Making them stop investigating his taxes? The media wouldn't have to reach hard to turn this example into a quid pro quo; a real fascist would just make it illegal to investigate his taxes.

And so on. You wouldn't have guesses, and oppositional media working overtime to frame things. Your first go-to example wouldn't be he "wanted" to do something. It would be, he DID something.

Both sides engage in this kind of overstatement; is Bernie's proposal to tax investment transactions SoCiAlIsM? Or just another form of taxation?

1. You are acting as if fascism occurs the way a light switch operates. Trump is in fact trying to make it defacto illegal to investigate him. Also, the fact that he is not as successful at being a fascist doesn't mean he isn't actually a fascist.

2. Call it what it is. Sanders is in fact a socialist of the Scandinavian school. Trump is a wannabe autocrat.

[henry quirk]

Mebbre so (but probably not). Still not the same as bein' the out & out fascist you keep sayin' he is.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Out & out? You mean successful? Trump, try as he might, is not successful at being a fascist, in business, or getting the most votes.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Out & out? You mean successful? Trump, try as he might, is not successful at being a fascist, in business, or getting the most votes.

I don't see the fascism (ain't nobody crapped in my hat), You wish you were as lousy a businessman, and he won the electoral (which ought to be revised, not dumped).

And: if America sucks so damn much, why is the big O tryin' so hard to take credit for the results of Trump's first term?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

And: if America sucks so damn much, why is the big O tryin' so hard to take credit for the results of Trump's first term?

Take credit? He pointed out that his second term (let alone his first) had more improvement than Trump's term.

I hate to put Obama and Fred Trump in the same analogy, but Trump was born on third base in both cases, and is claiming he hit a home run.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Take credit? He pointed out that his second term (let alone his first) had more improvement than Trump's term.

I hate to put Obama and Fred Trump in the same analogy, but Trump was born on third base in both cases, and is claiming he hit a home run.

This guy...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ob...ong-2020-02-19

...sez both are fulla shit.

This guy...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...aign=TWT+-+DSA

...gives Trump credit.

And other propagandists (the usual suspects) lean toward Barry.

Pick your poison.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

This guy...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ob...ong-2020-02-19

...sez both are fulla shit.

This guy...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...aign=TWT+-+DSA

...gives Trump credit.

And other propagandists (the usual suspects) lean toward Barry.

Pick your poison.

Or I could just look at the stock market and BLS graphs.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

(ain't nobody crapped in my hat)

Haven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.

You wish you were as lousy a businessman

That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

A real fascist running a fascist government would do those things. A fascist trying to create a fascist government would denounce anyone preventing him from doing those things, fire people who interfered, when he could, and pressure people who he couldn't yet fire into resigning. And the primary criteria for their replacements in both cases would be personal loyalty to him.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Haven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.


That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.

Excellent broad view and the closeup of what's happening here.

[henry quirk]

aven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.

Well, I look up and I ain't seein' any authoritarian/fascistic hoopla goin' on either. And: I'm thinkin' my penny ante money makin' falls well outside the attention of the big boys with their machinations.


That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.

Mebbe Mike can teach 'em how to farm, or, they could learn to code.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Well, I look up and I ain't seein' any authoritarian/fascistic hoopla goin' on either. And: I'm thinkin' my penny ante money makin' falls well outside the attention of the big boys with their machinations.

So this is libertarianism? Authoritarianism only matters once you yourself are affected?