personhood

[henry quirk]

"Do you think.... Because when we think, we think in words.... That the language you know has a deterministic effect on the thoughts you can think? The ideas you can grasp..."

I think a large vocabulary can broaden or widen or nuance thinking, but I don't think it determines it any more than a small one does.

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"Can you think without words? Intuitively."

I think some dogs I've known have done it exactly that way. Might not be possible for us: we're symbol-makers and -assigners, signifiers of the world, semiotic beings.

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"Or are both happening within us?"

If you count emotion as thinking without words: yes.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Can you think without words? Intuitively."

I think some dogs I've known have done it exactly that way. Might not be possible for us: we're symbol-makers and -assigners, signifiers of the world, semiotic beings.

My ex-wife was raised in a household that spoke Brazilian, Spanish, and a little German, but spent a lot of time next door where they spoke mainly French and a little Hindi. Her first words were in French, she's fluent in Spanish, and is a native English speaker who has always lived in the United States.

According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language.

[henry quirk]

"According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language."

As I consider it: it's probably more accurate to say thnkin' is done by way of assigning (then recognizing) symbols/placeholders and accessing a shifting cloud of associated symbols/placeholders.

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"Emotion is the physical chemical reaction we have that is caused by thoughts we think."

I think feeling (reaction) precedes thinking (consideration and response).

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"The non verbal thought I was pointing to is more of a leap we make mentally that just clicks. Then we go back and verify the accuracy."

Intuition: what your gut tells you.

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"I do it all the time."

Me too.

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"Like we have 2 thinking sources."

Just a different way of processing information.

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"It's all very scientific."

Mebbe so.

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"There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right?"

Libet.

https://mindmatters.ai/2019/09/was-f...just-debunked/