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[Carruthers]

We British are a peaceable and civilised bunch.
We live in a land where debate isn’t characterised by ill tempered exchanges.
A land where arguments are never advanced by personal insult or abuse but by intellectual rigour and the marshalling of incontrovertible facts, or demolished by equally rigorous forensic analysis.
The nature of debate is well illustrated by this Twitter exchange between Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter, and Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General.



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[xoxoxoBruce]

Make him use American tea bags for a fortnight. Better yet, prebrewed Sweet Tea.

[Carruthers]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Make him use American tea bags for a fortnight. Better yet, prebrewed Sweet Tea.

Have you no mercy?

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Better yet, prebrewed Sweet Tea.

Damn, man, that's a little harsh.

Even I won't drink most that swill.

Although Milo's Sweet Tea is pretty damn good.

[Gravdigr]

THIS is blowing my fucking mind.


Kentucky's new concealed carry law: Here's what you should know

Basically, we no longer require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

This is going to bring about a bad mindset, you mark my words.

The If-you-so-much-as-look-crossways-at-me-Ima-just-kill-ya-cuz-you-might-have-a-gun-too kinda mindset.

We didn't need a permit for open carry, anyway, but this just seems nuts.

Kicker: We join 12 other like-minded states.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

THIS is blowing my fucking mind.
Basically, we no longer require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

This is going to bring about a bad mindset, you mark my words.

The If-you-so-much-as-look-crossways-at-me-Ima-just-kill-ya-cuz-you-might-have-a-gun-too kinda mindset.

Oh, those words have been marked for decades.

And it doesn't happen. Hasn't happened. Isn't going to. Can't happen. But you do have to be au courant with the world to realize that.

That exact attitude was taken among those ignorant of arms and men when Florida liberalized concealed carry two decades ago or so. And now half of Florida is dead and the other half in jail... right? Only the sound of the wind is heard in Miami?

I'm clever enough to know arms, and to know not to bow to a false god, nor to hew to the articles of false faith. Grave, do you have anything that could possibly be an excuse?

There are psychiatrists willing to postulate things like "free-floating rage," and other maladjustments.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Oh, those words have been marked for decades.

And it doesn't happen. Hasn't happened. Isn't going to. Can't happen. But you do have to be au courant with the world to realize that.

That exact attitude was taken among those ignorant of arms and men when Florida liberalized concealed carry two decades ago or so. And now half of Florida is dead and the other half in jail... right? Only the sound of the wind is heard in Miami?

I'm clever enough to know arms, and to know not to bow to a false god, nor to hew to the articles of false faith. Grave, do you have anything that could possibly be an excuse?

There are psychiatrists willing to postulate things like "free-floating rage," and other maladjustments.

Ah, the old UG is back. His core belief to which he clings is "I am smart and you are not". It is his gun *and* his bible. UG: "You are wrong because I'm clever... what is your excuse for your stupidity again?" He gave us a little flourish on this one by hastily generalizing Grav's argument to include all of Florida--lorem ipsum non factor--Florida man lives therefore Grav's dum.

Gravdigr is *not dumb* (nor is UG, he is merely willfully ignorant and stubbornly and petulantly unwilling, not unable, to accept the truth about guns and their role in and affect on our society). His point is well taken. There are many examples of people being shot by shooters who were not in danger but merely afraid. Florida has many examples like this, Trayvon Martin is one of the poster children. It is sad. It is tragic. It is reduceable, if not preventable. But that requires the kind of dialog UG stupidly refuses to have. Making it easier to have more guns reduces the margin for error to dangerous, mortally dangerous levels.

Fearful people plus guns equals an increased chance someone's going to get shot. I don't believe increasing those chances makes anyone safer.

[Scriveyn]

Originally Posted by Carruthers

We British are a peaceable and civilised bunch.
We live in a land where debate isn’t characterised by ill tempered exchanges.
A land where arguments are never advanced by personal insult or abuse but by intellectual rigour and the marshalling of incontrovertible facts, or demolished by equally rigorous forensic analysis.
The nature of debate is well illustrated by this Twitter exchange between Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter, and Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General.

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MP George Eustace this morning on the Sunday Politics South West show:


"Theresa May is an overdried teabag in a Poundland sale."

(Quoted from memory within minutes of the broadcast)

[Carruthers]

Originally Posted by Scriveyn

MP George Eustace this morning on the Sunday Politics South West show:


"Theresa May is an overdried teabag in a Poundland sale."

I hadn't heard of Mr Eustice but I find this on Wikipedia...

Charles George Eustice (born 28 September 1971) is a British Conservative Party politician and former public relations executive...

Presumably not a very successful one.


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[Gravdigr]

'Magic fridge' full of cold beer found in flooded Nebraska field

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

...This is going to bring about a bad mindset, you mark my words.

The If-you-so-much-as-look-crossways-at-me-Ima-just-kill-ya-cuz-you-might-have-a-gun-too kinda mindset.

We didn't need a permit for open carry, anyway, but this just seems nuts.

Kicker: We join 12 other like-minded states.

That's certainly a popular thought with many people. But allow me to give another perspective that you might not have considered.

What if having a concealed weapon gives people the security to help people in distress? Maybe a motorist having troubles? Someone having very manageable troubles like a flat tire. Or maybe engine trouble of some sort. Maybe you see that this person is vulnerable in some way and nervous or scared.

You aren't billy bad ass rushing out with a gun to shoot everyone but you have a little security just in case. You can be a little vulnerable yourself to assist without completely compromising your safety.

Or maybe you go somewhere out of the way maybe late at night. You see some guy roughing up a woman and yelling at her. He turns to give you an intimidating look. That same look that tells you 'I'm fucking dangerous, don't get involved here, move along'. But he stares into your eyes and reads your demeanor. That demeanor that says 'I'm not prey mother fucker'.

Or maybe you see a confrontation heating up. A couple of guys are arguing and getting increasingly louder, more angry. And maybe I'm there on the sidelines watching this. Maybe I might ask some really fucking stupid ass question to break their concentration knowing that if I break their concentration they'll likely just calm down. And if they turn on me, I have some security.

"Hey guys, really hate to interrupt here but I have a question for ya. Is there a 7-11 around here? I'm dyin' for a Slurpee"

In these cases that have happened to me, I don't yell or shout, don't pull a pistol out and spin it on my finger, but the people involved know that I'm not afraid of them.

Then the question is, he's obviously not afraid of ME, should I be afraid of him?

It's powerful. Predators are experts at assessing risk. At sensing fear. If you can manage that fear with or without a gat, you're probably going to be in a position to avoid troubles. In some cases help people and be a better witness to events.

"Yes, your Honor, I saw that man punch that lady"

While I am sympathetic to people that think negatively about people having concealed guns, my experience and that of millions of others is completely different.

That's probably why we still have the 2nd amendment. Secretly people know and understand that much of the anti-gun narrative is completely false. Despite all the emotional press about guns, I still like to have a piece. I trust myself.

Here's a link with some citizen defensive gun use. Not quite the same as I've detailed here but similar.

And don't forget my favorite pro-gun bumper sticker.

"I'd rather have a gun in my hand than the cops on the phone"