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Old 02-21-2018, 06:57 PM   #1
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That interpretation implies that every potential gun owner would be forced to actively prove their competence before purchasing (as it is in Japan, for example.) ...
That's your non sequitur extrapolation, not my implication.

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... The proposed mental health laws in this case are only taking away Constitutional rights from those who have already gone out of their way to prove themselves unfit.
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Not "only", that's why this:

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... If information is wrong, then the list is appealed in court. Some 4000 did appeal and had their names removed from the list for various reasons ...
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We also have Constitutional rights to life and freedom, but we routinely take those away when the situation warrants it.
Those are subject to oversight, that mental health rule was not. This country has a history of insufficient oversight in the management of those with mental illness.

So, what was the mental illness for which Cruz should have had his Constitutional rights taken away preemptively?

If we can have commissions or boards make these determinations, then why not school boards to nip these people in the bud before they're even old enough to figure out how to get into trouble. Maybe they should also be barred from ever voting because they might want to vote for someone like Trump!.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:33 PM   #2
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Those are subject to oversight, that mental health rule was not. This country has a history of insufficient oversight in the management of those with mental illness.
This country has a history of intentionally subverting research into better oversight - because research into gun violence would only hurt profits.

If honestly addressing this problem, then your every post should be screaming for research into gun violence. Why not? Only those who love the profits generated by massacres are not screaming for research and solutions.

The kid could not even buy a beer. And could not even buy a 9 mm pistol. But had every right to buy a gun that only has one purpose - massacre people.

We even ban people from their constitutional right to vote. But protect their right to buy hardware that is designed to maximize the death of other people.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:52 PM   #3
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... If honestly addressing this problem, then your every post should be screaming for research into gun violence. Why not?
Because gun violence is a red herring. The problem is people violence. Until those who like you let fear filter their perceptions while grasping at scapegoats and panaceas come to terms with that, we'll just keep Trump in the White House.
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