Gay Marriage

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by jimf747
The U.S. was founded by a religious people looking to practice religion without discrimination. The simple
fact that the Ten Commandments are written on the ceiling of the Supreme Court should tell you something. When you go to court you swear to God to tell the truth! The oaths of judicial office are made with the right hand on the Bible. The Ten Commandments are considered the first laws handed to civilized men by God. There is more then enough material floating around the net to support any kind research along these lines.

I don't deny that there is some religion involved in our laws. Religion is not the reference for ALL law though.

As far as morality, there are various theories as to how morality came to be, including divine laws, convention and rational laws. The problem, as I see it, is that there is too much religious morality in our current laws...morals can vary widely from person to person, and we practically have a state religion as it is.

I don't think morals are necessarily right or wrong...they just are.

If you say a human being has value then you must define the substance or units with which this value is expressed… shall we use dollars and cents or the promise immortality and the immortal soul.

One does not necessarily need to use either to determine value. Maybe I use a point system; maybe you use a rating system.

Communism and Socialism preached atheism and killed over 100 million people, those people who did the killing went home and hugged their kids and slept well. They slept well because they believed that they were not going to pay any price for their actions. In their eyes the people who they killed had no supernatural value.

You can't blame communism and socialism for those deaths...you can only blame the people that did it. That's like cities that are trying to sue gun manufacturers because their guns kill people.

There are people in New York that have been charged with Sodomy recently.

New York doesn't have a sodomy law a la Texas or some of the other states. What's the background on the cases?

Without Sodomy laws it would not be possible to charge a child molester with Sodomy… if that was the extent of the transgression.

Consider sodomy a sex act. Depending on the circumstances, if an adult performs a sex act with a child, it could fall under a child abuse statute.

I never made the connection between Sodomy and Bestiality, I only said that they are considered to be un natural acts under the law.

As a few of us have mentioned already, that's not really the case anymore in regards to sodomy, given the recent Supreme Court ruling. And based on your floodgates comment, I inferred (incorrectly, perhaps, but I doubt it) that you were connecting the two beyond them being "unnatural acts under the law".

When a male and female get married, the state sanctifies it, and therefore sanctifies the acts performed, right? Well, there seem to be quite a few straight people out there that engage in sodomy...and prior to the Supreme Court ruling, 41 states allowed that.

So, how exactly would allowing gay marriage open the floodgates?