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[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

Premeditation means you have a plan to kill someone in particular, you've thought about it before hand, and you've taken steps to do it.

Ah...I think I'm starting to get it....you mean that many school shootings weren't murders because they killed indiscriminately. Gotcha.

Nice try, but not even close. A soldier doesn't think about a particular soldier in the opposing army. They think about trying to stay alive and killing those who mean to kill them.

So a sniper always kills indiscriminately? Never knew that.

A person who shoots someone robbing their house has not planned to kill someone, and has not taken steps to kill them.

So you have never thought about a particular scenario in your head? I have. If so and so broke into my house, even with no intention of deadly force, I would do so and so to so and so. That so and so being a particular person and that so and so means deadly force. I guess I would have thought about murder....

If you make a choice to use drugs, you are responsible for any damage you cause while on those drugs. This includes murdering people. If I drink and drive and I hit a pedestrian who later dies, I have committed murder.

So your definition isn't "murder means they thought about it before doing it"? It is "murder means they thought about it before doing it or they took a drug that led them to mistakenly do it" because there wasn't premeditation in the drug case. Thanks for that.

You ignored my insanity example by the way.