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Old 11-04-2007, 09:58 PM   #11
piercehawkeye45
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Ugh, I have already said that the Palestinians will not drop down their weapons unless their is some sort of miracle so if you do want to talk about solutions instead of pointing fingers, we will both have to work with that premise.

For your side, when you mean Israel will not go away what do you mean by that? Do you mean the Jewish state of Israel will not go away, the state called Israel will not go away but it can let go of its Jewish and Zionist status, or do you mean the Jews will not go away?

Working backwards, I will never be accepting of a solution that will kick the Jews out to the Mediterranean Sea. I do not believe the Jewish state should be there, but the individual Jews should not be kicked out just like the Palestinians should not have been kicked out of their homes. I would content with a Palestinian/Jewish state called Israel that is not most importantly a Jewish homeland but a state for Jews, Muslims, Christian, and others to live together equally but I would much rather the name be changed but that is not a big factor. If you are saying that Israel will not give up its "Jewish State" status, then I am afraid genocide for an undetermined side will be inevitable and I am hoping we both can agree that we want to avoid that.

Now like I said, we need to start with a premise that the Palestinians will not give up their guns if the situation remains unchanged or else we are not dealing with reality so I will try to go through the possibilities I see as reality.


Like I said earlier, I can not accept the destruction of Israel in the sense of kicking the Jews out and that the remain of Israel as a "Jewish homeland" will result in genocide so hopefully we are talking about the last possibility.

Would you be willing to accept a Israeli/Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others would be treated as equals, which is only possible if Israel gives up its "Jewish homeland" status? I realize that this is very borderline unrealistic but I feel it is the most effective solution and basically the only hope for peace. If Israel opens it borders and the standard of living for Palestinians rise dramatically, I am almost positive that the terrorist attacks will not only go down, but the peaceful Palestinian people will start to turn against them because of more profitable options, which is what you want.

I can go into more details later but if you want peace, I recommend you look into the one-state solution as the last hope for the region and if you have any other opinions except "the Palestinians give up their guns" because I have repeatably said that is not going to happen please give them.
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