How Do You Define Morality?

[DanaC]

And enough already with the 'pseudo-communism' labels. Soviet Russia, China, and Cambodia all explicitly declared themselves communist. Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot would all laugh at you for declaring them pseudo-communists ... and then kill you.

But that's the point: just because they explicitly decalred themselves communist states doesn't mean they were communist states: any more than Zimbabwe is a democracy. MUgabe was 'elected' in a 'democratic process'.....except that we all know the election was rigged and there's no such thing as democracy in Zimbabwe. So shal we point to it and say yes, but they say they're democratic therefore they are and as such we can see that democracy is obviously evil?

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Of course, it's the easy but intellectually dishonest thing to say, once your pet project has failed miserably, that it wasn't an example of your pet project at all.

Whose 'pet project' do you think they were? They were the pet project of murderous dictators and powermongers. They weren't communism.

Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot would all laugh at you for declaring them pseudo-communists ... and then kill you.

Yes....because they weren't communists they were vicious dictators.

Nobody is saying Stalin was right. Nobody is saying that those who suffered in Russia and China and Cambodia and elsewhere deserved their fate. Of course if that had been actual communism then we could say that communism is evil. Just because someone claims their administration is communist, doesn't mean they are.

It's like someone committing a crime and loudly claiming that they heard God telling them to kill... we do not conclude from that that God did tell them to kill and is in fact a cold hearted murderer...we conclude from that that they are insane. We draw conclusions about them as they are...not as they claim to be.