Sycamore's amazing conclusion #1

[Whit]

because unless you accept the truth of some things youre doomed to doubt everything. which may be fine with you, but it doesnt sound like fun to me.

     Well, not everything is in doubt. Some truths are pretty basic, like water's wet and pain sucks for instance. I know that not everyone agrees with that last one, but it's something I don't question. I don't think that's a faith thing though.
     Seriously, the only reason I've ever been given to have faith is that some people who were substance abusers needed faith to get out of that hedonistic lifestyle. I've really been enjoying this conversation, but I'm still waiting on the answer to my question "Why have faith?" I gave the only reason I know of but it doesn't apply to me or a lot of people I know. So how 'bout it?

and in my eyes, the fact that you try to do what's right is whats important, not whether or not you get it right every time. thats good enough to count as faith to me. as a definition, i know it doesnt match up. but as a concept, i think it does.

Okay, this throws me. Maybe it's because I'm working off definition which you admit doesn't match up. It seems to me that you are connecting faith and doing good directly. I've got to say I find that a little insulting. That basically means that I do good because deep down inside I DO have faith. Um, no, I don't. I do good because that's what I value. I choose my actions not from faith but from self-respect. I don't care about opinions of a 'higher being' only my own. You're going to have to back-up tying faith to doing what you think is right. I don't see it.

     Looking forward to your reply.