British to Withdraw from Iraq

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He says clearly we shoud "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the security problems."

"We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners in their country are quite clear."

The military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively kicked the door in. Whatever consent we may have had in the first place, may have turned to tolerance and has largely turned to intolerance."

"That is a fact. I don’t say that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them."

This from the top commander of the United Kingdom's armed forces.

More from The Daily Mail of 12 Oct 2006

Army chief declares war on Blair: 'We must quit Iraq soon'
"The original intention was that we put in place a liberal democracy that was an exemplar for the region, was pro West and might have a beneficial effect on the balance within the Middle East."

"That was the hope, whether that was a sensible or naïve hope history will judge. I don’t think we are going to do that. I think we should aim for a lower ambition."

Both George Jr and Blair have insisted

that British troops must stay until the Iraqi security forces are able to take charge - a forlorn hope as the country has slipped to the brink of civil war.

Iraqi forces are now as competent as they can be expected to be - after almost four years. Hell, US with no military built armies and won battles everywhere in the world in this same time. After all these years, this is the best that the Iraqi military is going to get. Continued American presence with too few troops now guarantees Iraqi civil war. One must be as dumb as George Jr to not see that.

Meanwhile,

General Dannatt says he has "more optimism" that "we can get it right in Afghanistan."

But he condemned the treatment of injured British soldiers, who have been forced to share wards with civilians in Selly Oak hospital in Birmingham.

Sir Richard said he confronted Mr Browne about the "covenant" between a nation and its armed forces.

"I said to the Secretary of State the army wont let the nation down but I don’t want the nation to let the army down."

"It is not acceptable for our casualties to be in mixed wards with civilians. I was outraged at the story of someone saying ‘take your uniform off’. Our people need the privacy of recovering in a military environment …"

"I am going to stand up for what is right for the army. Honesty is what it is about. The truth will out. We have got to speak the truth."

Shadow Defence Secretary Liam Fox said: "When I was in Iraq, soldiers told me the same thing."

"They said the reaction had gone from welcome, to consent to mere tolerance and they said that this meant we didn't have an indefinite licence to be there."

"To have one of our senior military figures speaking out on behalf of those under his commenad is a refreshing change."

An honest Cellar Dweller long ago admitted that both the "Mission Accomplished" war and a justified war in Afghanistan cannot be won. Meanwhile, every patriot was asking this question repeatedly, “When do we go after bin Laden?” Only those with a political agenda don’t ask that question.

Military Science 101 - we only had six month - one year max - to win the peace. But a mental midget insisted that "Americans don't do nation building". So when do we go after bin Laden? After we torture how many? No wonder this is the same political party that would even protect a sexual predator and endorse intelligent design be imposed in Dover PA - even by lying under oath.

Gen Dannatt will probably lose his job only for being honest.

A larger question of every Cellar dweller. How honest have you been? Facts stated by Gen Dannatt have been obvious for a terribly long time. Publically available are all the facts. A lesson even from Vietnam. The facts don't get any more obvious - welcome to reality. This is when you learn about yourself - if you can even stand up for yourself - or act like an indecisive ostrich. How true can you be to yourself? Gen Dannatt was bluntly honest. Can you be?