Has our intelligence dropped to zero already?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by lookout123

BigV - it is ridiculous,

Yes. It is. Don't qualify it to death. It's inexcusable.

Originally Posted by lookout123

but - BUT - we don't know anything other than what we see on this video. who don't know how this student behaves normally, we don't know of previous problems, we don't know about previous interaction with the parents, etc. i'm not saying that the school was right or wrong - i am saying we don't know all the facts.

too late.

Originally Posted by lookout123

i know one thing for sure - i will watch a 5 year old be handcuffed before i allow myself to run the risk of being dragged to court by some parent who doesn't like the fact that i held their kid in a way that they don't appreciate. --snip--

Ok, l123. Let me ask you this. I'm trying to listen to what you're saying and I think it's this:

As a teacher,i know one thing for sure - i will watch a 5 year old be handcuffed before i allow myself to run the risk of being dragged to court by some parent who doesn't like the fact that i held their kid in a way that they don't appreciate.

Italics mine. You have a reasonable fear of being sued by the parent. Ok.

Could you with equal ease say this:

As a parent, i know one thing for sure - i will watch a 5 year old be handcuffed before i allow myself to run the risk of being dragged to court by some parent who doesn't like the fact that i held their kid in a way that they don't appreciate.

Italics mine. I wonder...

And if you can would you further say this:

As a parent, I would rather see my 5 year old handcuffed than risk having him be held by his teacher, because I might not appreciate it.

(Hey, paraphrased you instead of mangling the syntax.)

If it's YOUR KID, what's your call? Cuff'em or hug'em?

And if it's not your kid? Same rules or not? If not, why not?

The rules I spoke of do not permit inappropriate touching. In fact I reported "appropriate restraint is permitted". Shit, just because the cop CAN handcuff the kid doesn't mean he can feel up the kid. Just because the rules say a teacher can restrain a kid doesn't mean the teacher can feel up the kid. Seriously.

Are you saying you'd rather trade the guaranteed trauma of being handcuffed to avoid the potential trauma of inappropriate touching? Hey, if circumstances are so out of control that a kindergartener is in handcuffs, the inevitability of throwin down in court was established some time ago. Just gonna be different charges.