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Old 04-24-2002, 08:20 AM   #29
Xugumad
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Justice, and the Middle East way of life...

I believe I've gone on at great length why I believe that a land-for-peace/recognition/etc. deal is the only realistic hope for the middle east. Rather than bore everyone with my point-by-point deductions YET AGAIN (and I know nobody's looking forward to that), could anyone elaborate on alternatives to continuing, ever-radicalized bloodshed?

Since the Jews and Palestinians currently hate each other, and since the Palestinians believe (rightly or wrongly) that they have been oppressed systematically even if they are Israeli citizens, simply due to inherent racism and constitutionalized prejudice in the Israeli system (known as the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1859843778/">Israeli Apartheid</a>), I'm uncertain whether any sort of non-separation (such as a Confederation) would work. (naturally, the distrust is reciprocal: would you accept a Confederation with people who you believe are just waiting to run into your favourite bar with sticks of dynamite strapped to them?)

Regarding the issue of why the people expelled from the West Bank recently have more of a right to it than those who were expelled 2000 years ago: It's fairly simple, really. Some of those expelled 35 years ago (1967) are still alive. They will continue to seek return to what they *remember* as their homeland, and continue to struggle for it. The only claim that Israel has to the West Bank is right by conquest - and they never led a war against a Palestinian state, did they?

Unfortunately, everybody else sides with the Palestinians in that the West Bank ought to be returned to them. The much-babbled-about UN Resolution 242. Since the Palestinians have recent history rights and world opinion on their side, the only thing that's opposing them is unconditional US sponsorship and support of Israel. It's the only realistic hope for peace.

Just as an aside: It's easy to claim that 'right through war' is a justifiable means of conquering and taking over more land, especially if there was aggression of some sort. This is of course true. Smart people, however, recognize that taking over land without having a pretty fucking good idea of how to either expel or kill the local people is a brilliant recipe for fabulous long-term problems. Even if you are 'right'. Even if you were the ones who got attacked. Europe was stuck in feudalist warfare for centuries due to the constant redrawing of borders over such issues.

X.

PS: Maybe <a href="http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war9.html">this</a> will help us gain a change of perspective... (it started back <a href="http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html">here</a>.)

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