I Think It Is Time We Got Involved.

[Gravdigr]

Paraphrasing some comedian:

...it said he died suddenly. Well, how else can you die? I mean, you're alive, you're alive, you're alive, you're alive, thenyou'redead!

[fargon]

Here is another story that upset me, and Cops wonder why they are hated.
http://gawker.com/dad-arrested-for-c...ick-1467819079

[xoxoxoBruce]

Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood. It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.
"I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said. Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next. "They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that." At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.

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[fargon]

I can't say what I want to say because Big Brother is watching.

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by fargon

Here is another story that upset me, and Cops wonder why they are hated.
http://gawker.com/dad-arrested-for-c...ick-1467819079

That was a school resource officer enforcing a school policy. SRO's essentially enforce school policies and provide security for schools. When you are on school property, you lose many of your rights concerning search and seizure, etc. It is the same thing as when you enter a military post. Have you ever taken the time to read the warning at the gate of what rights you surrender and that you are subject to arrest if you do not comply??

Another important point, SRO's salaries are paid through the Department of Education in response to school shootings. Their police powers come through an agreement with the law enforcement agency where the school is located. The local law enforcement agency has very little control over the actions of these officers. They essentially work for the school superintendent and school principal. BTW, their salaries are paid with Federal Grant money.

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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Bruce - You realize the local police were only assisting a Federal agency, the NHTA, in this incident. The NHTA provides large grants to local agencies to enforce DUI and Seatbelt enforcement. This includes paying the salaries of officers for enforcement, patrol cars, in car video cameras, intoxilyzers, etc. The local agency was likely caught in a situation that if they refused to help the NHTA, they would lose grant funding the next year.

I have first hand knowledge of the NHTA. Years ago I worked as a Metro DUI Officer (a 4 department task force) and our primary duties were to enforce DUI and safety restraint. Our results were submitted monthly to the NHTA through our State Grant Coordinator. Later as a police chief, I wrote grants to receive funds for officer salaries and equipment. Your agency's performance (stats) directly impacted how much funding your department received.

What I am trying to say is the blame should fall on the Federal Agency that makes state & local departments puppets.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It's bullshit "for the sake of the children". Oh, won't someone please think of the children.

Private property? No, public property, who do you think paid for that fucking place. It's clearly a kidnapping, illegal restraint minors, by an asshole with a little authority. The only thing that should concern him is nobody takes the wrong kids.

He's being a dick because they're not kowtowing to the mighty Deputy Dawg. I've met dozens of these assholes who feel everyone must kiss their ass, because their whims trump the law, or anyone else's rights.

Down the road, he may meet George Zimmerman.

[Big Sarge]

Bruce - how many years have you worked in law enforcement? You are making generalizing an entire profession based upon sensationalism in the media. Sure there are some bad apples, but that can be said about any profession.

I was merely pointing out that SRO's work for the school administrators and follow their rules.

fargo - you make so pretty demeaning comments. If someone is breaking into your home in the middle of the night are you going to call 911 and say fuck the pigs?

[xoxoxoBruce]

You have to have been a cop to make a judgment on cop behavior is a huge pile of steaming red herring bullshit.

SRO's work for the school administrators and follow their rules

Looked to me like rent-a-cop was making up his own rules.

Sensationalism in the media? Probably some, but more straight out reporting like most papers used to do.
But from personal experience. FBI, no problem. State Police, a few dickheads, but mostly square shooters. Local cops, they tend to go by department, if the top brass is cool, most of the cops under them will be. But other departments are rotten top down, constantly breaking the law, bullying people, and acting like Buford T Justice in the video.

The one big flaw with all cops, top to bottom, is their willingness to cover up for other cops, and even go so far as trying to justify it.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by fargon

Here is another story that upset me, and Cops wonder why they are hated.
http://gawker.com/dad-arrested-for-c...ick-1467819079

Local ABC affiliate WATE reached out to Sheriff Butch Burgess, who said he doesn't need to see the video "because it won't tell the whole story" and "Aytes was just doing his job."

Who are you going to believe, his upstanding never-wrong police officer or your lying eyes and ears?

"The Cellebrite UFED Touch is a device that is used to perform data extractions

OMG, what evil hath the Cellar wrought?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You have to have been a cop to make a judgment on cop behavior is a huge pile of steaming red herring bullshit.

Why do kids need special checkout procedures? At what point were we at so much risk when we just walked home without any parents? Today, crime rates are even lower than back when it was safe to walk home. Why do so many parents wait at bus stops because their kids cannot walk 1000 feet from bus to home?

The entire thing is based on a completely unjustified fear. Then confrontational people make it a local gossip TV story. Why so much bureaucracy over how students walk out the building?

[Lamplighter]

Why ? Because crime news is no longer local... crimes against children are nationally broadcast over and over and ...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Arm All The Children!!

[Big Sarge]

I routinely carried a pocket knife to school. I usually had a shotgun or a .22 rifle in the rear window of my truck in high school. BTW, we got our licenses at age 15. Strange thing is we didn't have any mass shootings. I wonder why?

I think it is because the media has sensationalized school violence and the bullied or mentally ill see it as a chance to become "famous".

[tw]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

BTW, we got our licenses at age 15. Strange thing is we didn't have any mass shootings. I wonder why?

Because nobody had guns anywhere, then we did not have fist fights in school.

We know that the 1960s were more dangerous than streets and subways today. Those are facts and numbers. But a majority believe something else for one simple reason. They ignore numbers. And listen to liars who note trends without any numbers. Fear (emotion) works for the same reason why a majority *knew* smoking cigarettes increase health.