cd exchange program - Page 3

lumberjim · 02-20-2004, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dar512

There's no doubt in my mind that major labels have a veritable monopoly. That doesn't give us the excuse to also be immoral.

I think you can work this ethically, if people are willing to put away the cds that the music originally came from while their favorites collection is out on loan.

do this over here

dar512 · 02-20-2004, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jinx
so if we made only one best of cd, and it circulated around to the people who were interested in it, and reserved it, we would not be able to listen to it simultaneously, right? what if we happen to hear one of the songs on the radio?????

i have better taste in music than jim does, btw.

Answer is here because ljim would rather not have ethical questions rain on his musical parade.

"Eppur si muove."

warch · 02-20-2004, 05:12 PM

Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.

elSicomoro · 02-20-2004, 05:19 PM

I pity the fool who gets my CD.

I'm game.

Griff · 02-20-2004, 05:38 PM

Too big for me, I'm out.

lumberjim · 02-20-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warch
Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.

no performance; no pressure.

ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge
UT
Case
Wolf
Beestie
Sycamore
Lumberjim

who else?

SteveDallas · 02-20-2004, 05:55 PM

I'll sign up only if I get to send lumberjim some of my favorite opera & classical music tracks!!!

hot_pastrami · 02-20-2004, 06:31 PM

I have boycotted RIAA CDs for months now because of their bullshit.

I think artists (musicians, writers, producers, etc) should be rewarded for their work. I even think that the record companies should be compensated for their effort (talent scouting, studio time, marketing, packaging, media, etc), and make a fair profit from the effort. And retailers should have their expenses covered, plus make a profit. As it stands today, retailers do OK, the artists get a pittance, and record label makes out like bandit.

The RIAA represents an ugly oligopoly. The companies that make up the RIAA control the majority of the music on the American market, and conspire to keep prices high, pocketing much of the profits themselves. They then sue file-sharers, claiming to be righteously fighting for their artists.

They want to be able to delete "illegal" MP3s from my hard drive remotely, with no concern whether I might have pulled them off of legitimately purchsed CDs. They want to cause physical damage to my computer if they decide, without oversight, that I possess illegal music files. They want to prevent me from making mix CDs, for personal use or otherwise, by adding copy-protection to all the CDs on the market... which would also prevent me from using a portable MP3 player, making backups of my music in case of a scratched CD, etc.

I have little regard for the rights of an entity who has so little regard for mine. Fuck 'em. Let the burning begin.

blue · 02-20-2004, 07:57 PM

Wait, fuck..what are we supposed to do?

I was being lazy, am I to make my own greatest hits CD, mail it to one of you and I get one and then we go round and round?

If so I'M IN BABY...that sounds really cool!

Slartibartfast · 02-20-2004, 08:17 PM

Just to clarify, correct me if I am wrong. I create one CD for each person participating, and get one back from each person.

Count me in!

I like classical, international, techno/trance, and alternative, so I'll just throw in a little of each.

elSicomoro · 02-20-2004, 08:21 PM

If Slarti has this right, it's a good thing I bought a lot of blanks recently.

Beestie · 02-20-2004, 09:00 PM

I'm just guessing but I was assuming that we all made a cd and then sent it to "the person on our right." I then receive a CD from the person on my left. After a week or two, we have had time to review the CD to decide *cough* if we want to buy the original or not *cough* and send the CD we received to the person on our right. Eventually, we get to listen to a CD from each member per round.

Its like we are all in a circle and there is one CD for each person in the circle. The CDs keep moving one person to the left until everyone has heard each one. Is this correct or am I standing out in left field at 3:00 am with my glove on again? I do that a lot you know :-)

Also, it seems that one concept for what's on the CD is a collection of everyone's favorite songs over their life. That's a great idea. I also wouldn't mind a greatest hits anthology from everyone's favorite artist.

Just random thoughts...

blue · 02-20-2004, 09:11 PM

Logistics now damn....I also would like to suggest/contribute a song list and comments on why it's on your top 10. After all it's more meaningful if you knew who it came from and why.

Also a label and mailing address, i.e. the LUMBERJIM MIX, return/forward too:

Cmon LJ, lets get yer ass in gear here...I also want a Return On Investment statement no later than 9:09pm tonight, don't forget your TPS reports.

lumberjim · 02-20-2004, 09:48 PM

ok ok sorry i'm late.

beestie has detailed what i had intended. I think making 11 or 12 copies of a cd is cost prohibitive, and more indicative of immoral intent. wouldn't want to upset the dar512 faction.....

on that note, if you want to participate in this, but dont want to be publicly seen doing so, send me a pm, and i'll assign you a "stage name" like " anon1" and we'll use that name for everything posted publicly.

so if we are to use the rotation method, we will only need to keep one person's address. the person on your right. if someone new joins the fray, we'll need to adjust.

we need to agree on the particulars.

i like the idea of a lifetime favorites disc. we can do this more than once, if we want to do other themes, too. I would propose, also that we not divulge online what our discs contain apart from genre and general mood related information if you are so inclined. just for fun (and to avoid catching the eye of someone personally vested in a song or artist). i think the person's name( your real name if you are anon*) ((we'll all agree not to out you )) and a song list with artist info should be included, but i think the why's and wherefore's should be optional.....don't want warch to feel too much pressure.....i think i might have a hard time with that, too. ( some songs i've just always liked, and would be hard pressed to say why)

AND for the record, we all promise not to make illegal copies of said discs, AND not to listen to our original copies of these songs except for between 12 am and 1 am, at which time everyone else agrees not to listen to the best of discs. ( this will eliminate the possibility of simultaneous listening infringement or SLI

I would like to thank dar for his help in keeping this a moral an legal enterprise. i would also like to invite him to join us. cmon, you can be "anon512".

Cam · 02-20-2004, 10:19 PM

You can count me in.

Damn have to break into the CD burning equipment again, been awhile.

02-20-2004, 05:38 PM	#35
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Too big for me, I'm out. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

02-20-2004, 06:31 PM	#38
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	I have boycotted RIAA CDs for months now because of their bullshit. I think artists (musicians, writers, producers, etc) should be rewarded for their work. I even think that the record companies should be compensated for their effort (talent scouting, studio time, marketing, packaging, media, etc), and make a fair profit from the effort. And retailers should have their expenses covered, plus make a profit. As it stands today, retailers do OK, the artists get a pittance, and record label makes out like bandit. The RIAA represents an ugly oligopoly. The companies that make up the RIAA control the majority of the music on the American market, and conspire to keep prices high, pocketing much of the profits themselves. They then sue file-sharers, claiming to be righteously fighting for their artists. They want to be able to delete "illegal" MP3s from my hard drive remotely, with no concern whether I might have pulled them off of legitimately purchsed CDs. They want to cause physical damage to my computer if they decide, without oversight, that I possess illegal music files. They want to prevent me from making mix CDs, for personal use or otherwise, by adding copy-protection to all the CDs on the market... which would also prevent me from using a portable MP3 player, making backups of my music in case of a scratched CD, etc. I have little regard for the rights of an entity who has so little regard for mine. Fuck 'em. Let the burning begin. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

02-20-2004, 07:57 PM	#39
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	I wasn't paying attention Wait, fuck..what are we supposed to do? I was being lazy, am I to make my own greatest hits CD, mail it to one of you and I get one and then we go round and round? If so I'M IN BABY...that sounds really cool! __________________ If you spot a tornado, always remember to point at it, yell "tornado!", and run like hell.

02-20-2004, 09:00 PM	#42
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	I'm just guessing but I was assuming that we all made a cd and then sent it to "the person on our right." I then receive a CD from the person on my left. After a week or two, we have had time to review the CD to decide cough if we want to buy the original or not cough and send the CD we received to the person on our right. Eventually, we get to listen to a CD from each member per round. Its like we are all in a circle and there is one CD for each person in the circle. The CDs keep moving one person to the left until everyone has heard each one. Is this correct or am I standing out in left field at 3:00 am with my glove on again? I do that a lot you know :-) Also, it seems that one concept for what's on the CD is a collection of everyone's favorite songs over their life. That's a great idea. I also wouldn't mind a greatest hits anthology from everyone's favorite artist. Just random thoughts... __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

02-20-2004, 09:11 PM	#43
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Logistics now damn....I also would like to suggest/contribute a song list and comments on why it's on your top 10. After all it's more meaningful if you knew who it came from and why. Also a label and mailing address, i.e. the LUMBERJIM MIX, return/forward too: Cmon LJ, lets get yer ass in gear here...I also want a Return On Investment statement no later than 9:09pm tonight, don't forget your TPS reports. __________________ If you spot a tornado, always remember to point at it, yell "tornado!", and run like hell.

02-20-2004, 05:12 PM	#33
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.

02-20-2004, 05:19 PM	#34
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I pity the fool who gets my CD. I'm game.

02-20-2004, 05:55 PM	#37
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	I'll sign up only if I get to send lumberjim some of my favorite opera & classical music tracks!!!

02-20-2004, 08:17 PM	#40
Slartibartfast \|-0-\| <-0-> \|-0-\| Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 516	Just to clarify, correct me if I am wrong. I create one CD for each person participating, and get one back from each person. Count me in! I like classical, international, techno/trance, and alternative, so I'll just throw in a little of each.

02-20-2004, 08:21 PM	#41
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	If Slarti has this right, it's a good thing I bought a lot of blanks recently.

02-20-2004, 09:48 PM	#44
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	ok ok sorry i'm late. beestie has detailed what i had intended. I think making 11 or 12 copies of a cd is cost prohibitive, and more indicative of immoral intent. wouldn't want to upset the dar512 faction..... on that note, if you want to participate in this, but dont want to be publicly seen doing so, send me a pm, and i'll assign you a "stage name" like " anon1" and we'll use that name for everything posted publicly. so if we are to use the rotation method, we will only need to keep one person's address. the person on your right. if someone new joins the fray, we'll need to adjust. we need to agree on the particulars. i like the idea of a lifetime favorites disc. we can do this more than once, if we want to do other themes, too. I would propose, also that we not divulge online what our discs contain apart from genre and general mood related information if you are so inclined. just for fun (and to avoid catching the eye of someone personally vested in a song or artist). i think the person's name( your real name if you are anon) ((we'll all agree not to out you )) and a song list with artist info should be included, but i think the why's and wherefore's should be optional.....don't want warch to feel too much pressure.....i think i might have a hard time with that, too. ( some songs i've just always liked, and would be hard pressed to say why) AND for the record, we all promise not to make illegal copies of said discs, AND not to listen to our original copies of these songs except for between 12 am and 1 am, at which time everyone else agrees not to listen to the best of discs. ( this will eliminate the possibility of simultaneous listening infringement or SLI* I would like to thank dar for his help in keeping this a moral an legal enterprise. i would also like to invite him to join us. cmon, you can be "anon512". __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-20-2004, 10:19 PM	#45
Cam dripping with ignorance Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Grand Forks ND Posts: 642	You can count me in. Damn have to break into the CD burning equipment again, been awhile. __________________ After the seventh beer I generally try and stay away from the keyboard, I apologize for what happens when I fail.

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