Should you believe in climate change?

Pete Zicato · 03-23-2012, 09:58 AM

"This is very hard for scientists to understand. The scientific evidence that humanity is having an effect on the climate is overwhelming and increasing every year. Yet public perception of this is confused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-believe-in-it

footfootfoot · 03-23-2012, 10:29 AM

You don't have to believe in the ocean, but if you jump in it, you're going to get wet.

infinite monkey · 03-23-2012, 10:38 AM

I believe for every drop of rain that falls...

what foot said.

tw · 03-23-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I believe for every drop of rain that falls...

An extremist talk show host recently interviewed an MBA who counts raindrops. By reporting those counts on his spread sheets, he proved global cooling is now happening.

You too can count rain drops to prove scientists are wrong. As Costello said, "What do they know."

infinite monkey · 03-23-2012, 01:46 PM

Or as Kim Basinger once infamously said: Neil Simon? What does he know about comedy?"

infinite monkey · 03-23-2012, 01:47 PM

Or you can just walk between the raindrops.

Sundae · 03-23-2012, 02:35 PM

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a number of possible contributory factors: the move from being a science issue to a political issue may have introduced more distrust

This is one of the things I find most shocking.
I expect that in 50-100 years plus, those deriding the facts of climate change will look at ridiculous as the opponents of Darwin.

Oh, wait.
There are nutjobs out there who don't accept evolution to the extent they will not allow it to be taught to children. Still, at least they never qualify medically, due to their inability to grasp facts.

Oh, wait.

Sigh.

wolf · 03-23-2012, 09:03 PM

I'm sorry, I've devoted my time to believing in Unicorns, Dragons, and Fairies. Don't have room for Climate Change.

HungLikeJesus · 03-23-2012, 09:23 PM

Really? I think the dragons are mostly to blame.

regular.joe · 03-23-2012, 09:31 PM

It is amazing that the evidence for climate change and mans impact on the climate is overwhelming, yet there seems to be people who can argue the fact. I work with lots of guys who are staunch republicans and will argue that climate change is on a natural curve and mans impact is minimal.

I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

HungLikeJesus · 03-23-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

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I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

For electrical generation in the US, you can start with EPA's eGrid.

Of course, that's a limited sub-set of all the man-made emissions from all sources, and from around the world.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-24-2012, 02:53 AM

A good article on the combined effect of climate change and peak oil.

glatt · 03-24-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

I tried doing this myself a few years ago and posted the results here in the Cellar.

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Originally Posted by glatt

volcanoes produce approximately 200 million tonnes of CO2 per year, while mankind produces about 26.8 billion tonnes (in 2003.) Even the largest eruption in recent times, Pinatubo in the Philippines, produced between 42 and 234 million tons of CO2. (1, 2) so even that year, volcanoes didn't come anywhere near producing the CO2 that mankind did.

Griff · 03-24-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

"This is very hard for scientists to understand. The scientific evidence that humanity is having an effect on the climate is overwhelming and increasing every year. Yet public perception of this is confused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-believe-in-it

I believe it now, but the political argument was being forcefully made well before the evidence was in by folks with a preference for command economies. That is what caused the perception that it wasn't good science and what needs to be overcome now.

HungLikeJesus · 03-24-2012, 09:52 AM

I think part of the problem is that they initially used the term global warming, instead of climate change.

03-23-2012, 09:58 AM	#1
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Should you believe in climate change? "This is very hard for scientists to understand. The scientific evidence that humanity is having an effect on the climate is overwhelming and increasing every year. Yet public perception of this is confused." http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-believe-in-it __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

03-23-2012, 10:29 AM	#2
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	You don't have to believe in the ocean, but if you jump in it, you're going to get wet. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'm sorry, I've devoted my time to believing in Unicorns, Dragons, and Fairies. Don't have room for Climate Change. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-23-2012, 09:23 PM	#9
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Really? I think the dragons are mostly to blame. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

03-23-2012, 09:31 PM	#10
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	It is amazing that the evidence for climate change and mans impact on the climate is overwhelming, yet there seems to be people who can argue the fact. I work with lots of guys who are staunch republicans and will argue that climate change is on a natural curve and mans impact is minimal. I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

03-23-2012, 10:38 AM	#3
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	I believe for every drop of rain that falls... what foot said.

03-23-2012, 01:46 PM	#5
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Or as Kim Basinger once infamously said: Neil Simon? What does he know about comedy?"

03-23-2012, 01:47 PM	#6
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Or you can just walk between the raindrops.

03-24-2012, 02:53 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A good article on the combined effect of climate change and peak oil. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-24-2012, 09:52 AM	#15
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I think part of the problem is that they initially used the term global warming, instead of climate change. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

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