Now that's just cheeky...

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

And there are people here (mostly on the right) who are trying to block the closing of Guantanamo.

Completely UNTRUE! Cite or retract. Have you read about all the conversations and negotiations that went on since 2004 about trying to secure the release of any of these people?

C'mon - you gotta stop spewing this crap. opinion is one thing, but to just make false claims without cites is and purport them as facts makes you no better than ...

[sugarpop]

I watched the hearings the other day where they were trying to do it. They didn't get enough votes. If you want to see, go to CSPAN.

[DanaC]

Oh Sugar, I'm happy that those men have been taken in by Bermuda. I really am. I'd have been all in favour of that *smiles* I'd have been in favour of them coming here if necessary. Like I say...it's the slap in the face of British sovereignty by America that's the cheeky bit :P

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I watched the hearings the other day where they were trying to do it. They didn't get enough votes. If you want to see, go to CSPAN.

And please stop accusing me of posting stuff that isn't true. YOU are the one jumping the gun here. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it didn't happen classic.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh Sugar, I'm happy that those men have been taken in by Bermuda. I really am. I'd have been all in favour of that *smiles* I'd have been in favour of them coming here if necessary. Like I say...it's the slap in the face of British sovereignty by America that's the cheeky bit :P

Obama is doing quite a few things that I'm not happy with. I understand why he did it though, considering the insanity and irrationality he's dealing with here at home about detainees being released.

[DanaC]

I don't understand why he did it. There is no reason that isn't profoundly insulting and/or patronising. It was deliberately kept secret from the British government until the very end. To suggest that this was to protect us from China's strongarm tactics is basically to suggest that we are not a nation on our own feet able to make decisions about our own sovereign territories.

[sugarpop]

It was kept secret from the government? How in the hell did he accomplish that?

yea, I would be deeply insulted as well. Just because he is being reamed here at home is no reason to treat our allies that way. I apologize. I was wrong to sympathize with his actions.

He needs to start pushing back hard against the assholes who refuse to cooperate with him on anything he is trying to do. Republican, the new party of NO. Funny how they never said no when it was their own party in power. That is one thing I really have against them. At least when they're in power democrats work with them on some things. They aren 't willing to give in on anything. Well, except for the 2 senators from Maine, and the one who switched parties and is now a democrat.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

It was kept secret from the government? How in the hell did he accomplish that?

yea, I would be deeply insulted as well. Just because he is being reamed here at home is no reason to treat our allies that way. I apologize. I was wrong to sympathize with his actions.

Thankyou. I am glad someone at least sees why that might be a problem lol.

[classicman]

It was not Obama's fault nor his responsibility to tell the Brits - That lied solely upon Bermuda. Bermuda, IN FACT, did notify the Brits, just not as soon as they would have liked. That was reported last week in an interview with Bermuda Premier Ewart Brown.

Brown said he had no security concerns because the men were cleared by U.S. courts. But Britain, which handles Bermuda's defense, security and foreign affairs, expressed displeasure at the deal.

[DanaC]

Now a senior US official has told the BBC it was a deliberate decision not to consult London on the resettlement, after other countries came under pressure from China not to accept the Uighurs.

What Brown is doing, is facesaving...because he needs to...because this was a slap in the face. Brown is a Prime Minister embattled. He has lost the respect and regard of his own party let alone the opposition. He looks impotent. So...of course he is trying to make it look like he was in on it. And...frankly its easier to show displeasure at Bermuda than the States.

Britain was informed, after the negotiations and decision had been taken. Literally just before the men boarded the plane. It was a fait accomplis.

There is no way of looking at this that isnt insulting.

[classicman]

It was still Bermuda's responsibility, not the US's.

[DanaC]

Of course. But it is still an insult that the US deliberately didnt inform the British government that they were negotiating with Bermuda. Deliberately...chose to not to involve the British Government in negotiations with one of her territories. That was thought out and decided. Not just not considered because they assumed bermuda would tell ... deliberately decided not to.

How can that be anything but insulting?

[classicman]

Because it wasn't a campaign promise by Obama? I dunno I got nothin' else.

[DanaC]

lol

There is a certain ....etiquette which has been seriously breached here. Thats all I'm saying.

[sugarpop]

I agree Dana. I am very worried about some of the things he is doing. Not worried, but concerned.