Bush goes out his with usual class

[Nirvana]

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@ Nirvana, if you quote this post you can see the format.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Wow. A three letter word. Not having attacked other posters today has caused even less intelligence? Let's see how many others such as radar and piercehawkeye45 you can attack today.

Not yet having googled FTR... "For The Reaming?" "Fighting The Rastafarians?"

Hell, tw, Radar, Piercehawkeye, and you are about all equally attackable. In your particular case it is perhaps the most needful, as your intellect is entirely consumed by hatreds and resentments -- what's left is leftover Soviet propaganda about these United States from which you will not exile yourself. You show us a thoroughly ugly life of the mind -- a way never to be.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Just a question. Since I often say things like 'Dazza says...' does that mean he's within the limits and people can take potshots if they like?

Well, if Dazza says something I think is really dumb and poorly thought out, I'd say so. That's as far as I'd go, in the going-far-out.

Mind you, if they did, he'd probably join the cellar in order to 'clarify his position'. lol

And he'd be welcome. Not only for the intellectual input, but also because he's with-it enough to have married you. No, I ain't foolin'.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Well, if Dazza says something I think is really dumb and poorly thought out, I'd say so. That's as far as I'd go, in the going-far-out.



And he'd be welcome. Not only for the intellectual input, but also because he's with-it enough to have married you. No, I ain't foolin'.

awww...I'm feelng all warm and fuzzy now. Thanks UG. Nicest compliment I've had all day!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by lookout123

. . . these things have a way of working themselves out. even if tw isn't banned does anyone actually read his posts anyway?

I'd been wondering who The Third Man was myself.

I have never used the Ignore feature on any BBS I've been in. It was handier on chat.

But to this question: I eyeball a selection of tw to keep an eye on what leftover-Communist, far-left opinion looks like, trying for suitable polarization on the BS filters to compensate for tw's... quirks. Tw's Soviet/Maoist point of view has of course been offensive to me, a freedom person, since first exposure some years ago.

No idea what this guy is going to do with himself when he doesn't have any Bushes to kick around any more. He'll be like the post-Reagan Mary McGrory... that was a sorry display of inability to let go.

{Trying trying trying to get through the whole thread before posting... not doing so hot exc. on the posting part.}

[Aliantha]

Well there's still GM to beat up.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Um... "With courage raaaaare/And resolution ma-anly/For Debt prepaaaare,/Unhappy Morgan Stanley!"

Big business/high finance/big bailouts... that's the free-association...

And if anyone's moved to wonder since when has UG turned Savoyard enough to quote Arthur Sullivan -- since late last year. Now I'm in early rehearsal for The Gondoliers.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

"Security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad." George W. Bush's Farewell Address, 15 January 2009

Practically Holy Writ.

Truer words were never spoken -- and such true words have been severely ignored by certain Cellarites, who put themselves in disgrace thereby. Hey, people, blatant anti-Republican prejudice is practiced only by the second-rate. Or worse.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

"Security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad." George W. Bush's Farewell Address, 15 January 2009

Practically Holy Writ.

Truer words were never spoken -- and such true words have been severely ignored by certain Cellarites, who put themselves in disgrace thereby. Hey, people, blatant anti-Republican prejudice is practiced only by the second-rate. Or worse.

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." Brack Obama Inaugural Address

Practically Holy Writ....we dont have to torture...we dont have to spy on citizens w/o a warrant...we dont have to withhold documents from the public's right to know based on dubious national security claims.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Nice if he can, redux. But it was doing things that way that cost us the Beirut Marine Barracks, a hole in the USS Cole, and the WTC in the first place.

The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.

No, the Democratic Party has refused for long years to actually try and fight this war against the forces of undemocracy and oppression, which is why the Dem Party is so very untrustworthy and not trusted among freedom's disciples. What a pack of myopic morons!

Meanwhile, redux, you don't strike me as irredeemably stupid -- have a look at Thomas P.M. Barnett's works and tell me what you think. Maybe he's only got a corner of what we'll actually need in this new century, but it looks to be a well-done corner. I'm sorry my compliment is so lefthanded -- but there are people here who really seem to want to stay dumb, and these are the people who fight me hardest.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

..we dont have to withhold documents from the public's right to know based on dubious national security claims.

If you think this is going to happen under Obama because of a speech you are sorely mistaken. Who gets to say what is dubious and what is not if you never see them nor know if such a document exists?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

If you think this is going to happen under Obama because of a speech you are sorely mistaken. Who gets to say what is dubious and what is not if you never see them nor know if such a document exists?

Why am I mistaken before even giving the new admistration an opportuunity to demonstrate greater transparency. Executive Orders are a good start

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.

The fact that ouor enemies dont have a nation is a reason why many experts believe that a militry response is not the most effective.


The Rand Corp, a conservative DoD connected think tank, addressed the issue in a recent report:

[A recent RAND research effort sheds light on this issue by investigating how terrorist groups have ended in the past. By analyzing a comprehensive roster of terrorist groups that existed worldwide between 1968 and 2006, the authors found that most groups ended because of operations carried out by local police or intelligence agencies or because they negotiated a settlement with their governments. Military force was rarely the primary reason a terrorist group ended, and few groups within this time frame achieved victory.



These findings suggest that the U.S. approach to countering al Qa'ida has focused far too much on the use of military force. Instead, policing and intelligence should be the backbone of U.S. efforts.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_br...51/index1.html

UG..you might also recall several NIEs over the last few years that concluded that our Iraq invasion/occupation and our actions at GITMO have created a "cause celebre" for terrorism recruitment.

The military is not always the answer in counterting terrorism and forging new democracies.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Why am I mistaken before even giving the new admistration an opportuunity to demonstrate greater transparency. Executive Orders are a good start

History works against you.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

History works against you.

History does not always repeat itself.