McCain dials down his crowd - Page 2

richlevy · 10-12-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

A) That is not as he corrected the woman about Arab. That's the following clip.

B) If one is the sense the entire crowd reaction to THIS statement, it's about three times as positive as the first reaction is negative. Of course you can just take the five seconds you like out of time, and advance that as the critical narrative. But that's very obviously bullshit.

OK, then we agree that they were booing McCain for saying 'you should not be afraid of an Obama presidency' instead of 'Obama is not an Arab'.

classicman · 10-12-2008, 01:23 PM

I agree richlevy, just forget the one idiot lady and her Arab comment - that mindset is such a minute percentage of the populus. McCain showed a lot of class - again. Blame the media for even showing it. What a total non story.

warch · 10-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Republicans don't mob. This group was a mob.

Oh bullshit. Perhaps there is less tie dye and fewer puppets. Perhaps mob is not the effective form for the likes of George Will or Cheney/Libby (they can hire it done) but just as you note with leftist ideologues, there are enthusiastic conservative fundamentalists, culture warriors (!) who gather and threaten or enact violence against individuals or institutions with which they disagree---those acting too gay, not speaking English, exercising their right to obtain medical treatment, or perhaps daring to teach Toni Morrison to 12th graders and charismatic mouthpieces- Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity to egg them on. There is plenty of hate to go around.

McCain did well ethically and strategically rebutting those ignorant Minnesotans. I also watched some footage from Ohio where the rhetoric was not countered but encouraged by the Campaign and surrogates. Who is leading here? the mob?

Undertoad · 10-12-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

OK, then we agree that they were booing McCain for saying 'you should not be afraid of an Obama presidency' instead of 'Obama is not an Arab'.

You can make that statement, and actually, we expect it of you. But if you were trying to describe the event in an unbiased, journalistic sort of way, would you?

(If so, a job waits for you at most major metropolitan newspapers.)

The unbiased statement is: A smattering booed his initial comment. The crowd cheered his followup.

Undertoad · 10-12-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by warch

Republicans don't mob. This group was a mob.

Oh bullshit. Perhaps there is less tie dye and fewer puppets.

Is there a Youtube clip.

monster · 10-12-2008, 08:58 PM

her: he's an arab

him; no ma'am, he's a decent family man citizen

wait, since when are "Arab" and "decent family man citizen" the opposite of one another?

lookout123 · 10-12-2008, 09:29 PM

I see what you're saying there Monster, but I think you might be digging a little deeper than needed. If someone, in reference to any man, said - "he's a nigger/jew/other disgusting epithet", I think "decent family man citizen" would be an appropriate way of countering an insulting term by pointing out that he is not deserving of any such insult. I don't think that any insult towards arabs should be read into that statement.

monster · 10-12-2008, 10:03 PM

no deep digging was required for that... you need to dig deeper (ostrich-style) to ignore it.

I'm glad and impressed that he "corrected" the woman and "defended" Barack, rather than ignoring the bigotry of churning out a standard speech, but that was no real defence or correction.

That was a "yes, arabs are bad, but he isn't one".

So, you think "Jew" is a disgusting epithet?

maybe this is my foreignness showing, but i was waiting to hear "he's not an arab, but even if he was, so what? He's an American citizen."

Pie · 10-12-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

If someone, in reference to any man, said - "he's a nigger/jew/other disgusting epithet", I think "decent family man citizen" would be an appropriate way of countering an insulting term by pointing out that he is not deserving of any such insult. I don't think that any insult towards arabs should be read into that statement.

L123, you yourself just equated "disgusting epithet" with both "Jew" and "Arab". Is that really what you wanted to say?

(monster beat me to it, I see.)

elSicomoro · 10-13-2008, 12:32 AM

Wolf and I are discussing this at my blog...I forgot about this thread.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-13-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

her: he's an arab

him; no ma'am, he's a decent family man citizen

wait, since when are "Arab" and "decent family man citizen" the opposite of one another?

The woman said she didn't trust Obama, then gave as a reason, "He's an Arab". That's what makes it a disgusting epithet.

That's also when McCain cut her off, so we don't know if she had more reasons or not.

elSicomoro · 10-13-2008, 01:42 AM

I wanted to see the exchange and found this on YouTube, though I can't quite make out what she's saying:

Disclaimer: I haven't watched the entire video.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-13-2008, 02:04 AM

The video is in the first post.

ZenGum · 10-13-2008, 05:14 AM

I suggest that for "disgusting" we read "derogatory".

Using a derogatory epithet - especially in that context - might reasonably be considered disgusting, but it is the use, not the epithet itself, which is disgusting.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-13-2008, 06:22 AM

It's disgusting to use the epithet in a derogatory manner? I'll buy that.

10-12-2008, 01:23 PM	#17
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I agree richlevy, just forget the one idiot lady and her Arab comment - that mindset is such a minute percentage of the populus. McCain showed a lot of class - again. Blame the media for even showing it. What a total non story. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-12-2008, 08:58 PM	#21
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	her: he's an arab him; no ma'am, he's a decent family man citizen wait, since when are "Arab" and "decent family man citizen" the opposite of one another? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-12-2008, 09:29 PM	#22
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I see what you're saying there Monster, but I think you might be digging a little deeper than needed. If someone, in reference to any man, said - "he's a nigger/jew/other disgusting epithet", I think "decent family man citizen" would be an appropriate way of countering an insulting term by pointing out that he is not deserving of any such insult. I don't think that any insult towards arabs should be read into that statement. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-12-2008, 10:03 PM	#23
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	no deep digging was required for that... you need to dig deeper (ostrich-style) to ignore it. I'm glad and impressed that he "corrected" the woman and "defended" Barack, rather than ignoring the bigotry of churning out a standard speech, but that was no real defence or correction. That was a "yes, arabs are bad, but he isn't one". So, you think "Jew" is a disgusting epithet? maybe this is my foreignness showing, but i was waiting to hear "he's not an arab, but even if he was, so what? He's an American citizen." __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-13-2008, 02:04 AM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The video is in the first post. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-12-2008, 02:40 PM	#18
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Republicans don't mob. This group was a mob. Oh bullshit. Perhaps there is less tie dye and fewer puppets. Perhaps mob is not the effective form for the likes of George Will or Cheney/Libby (they can hire it done) but just as you note with leftist ideologues, there are enthusiastic conservative fundamentalists, culture warriors (!) who gather and threaten or enact violence against individuals or institutions with which they disagree---those acting too gay, not speaking English, exercising their right to obtain medical treatment, or perhaps daring to teach Toni Morrison to 12th graders and charismatic mouthpieces- Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity to egg them on. There is plenty of hate to go around. McCain did well ethically and strategically rebutting those ignorant Minnesotans. I also watched some footage from Ohio where the rhetoric was not countered but encouraged by the Campaign and surrogates. Who is leading here? the mob?

10-13-2008, 12:32 AM	#25
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Wolf and I are discussing this at my blog...I forgot about this thread.

10-13-2008, 01:42 AM	#27
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I wanted to see the exchange and found this on YouTube, though I can't quite make out what she's saying: Disclaimer: I haven't watched the entire video.

10-13-2008, 05:14 AM	#29
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I suggest that for "disgusting" we read "derogatory". Using a derogatory epithet - especially in that context - might reasonably be considered disgusting, but it is the use, not the epithet itself, which is disgusting. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-13-2008, 06:22 AM	#30
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's disgusting to use the epithet in a derogatory manner? I'll buy that. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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